Homicide stats in Canadian Cities

[miketoronto]

Toronto's murders are starting to get troubling. More and more murders are happening in suburban subdivisions or areas that you would not think crime would happen. In addition murders are happening in busy areas and intersections, again in areas that would normally not have them.

There is also the issue that Toronto is becoming the crime capital of the GTA while the outter suburbs have very low rates of murder. Despite almost equal population numbers, the City of Toronto has double the murders the 905 does.

[The Trooper]

Originally Posted by miketoronto

Toronto's murders are starting to get troubling. More and more murders are happening in suburban subdivisions or areas that you would not think crime would happen. In addition murders are happening in busy areas and intersections, again in areas that would normally not have them.

There is also the issue that Toronto is becoming the crime capital of the GTA while the outter suburbs have very low rates of murder. Despite almost equal population numbers, the City of Toronto has double the murders the 905 does.

Your comments are bang on. I've known a homicide detective from the Toronto police. This guy is a specialist of foot prints actually. He told me that the cops know exactly who have arms and where they hide it but there is nothing they can do about it. The cops are powerless because they don't have the political support to do their job not to mention the courts are heavily biased against them. As long as it doesn't change, things will only worsen in Toronto.

[Calgarian]

Originally Posted by Tone

No murders in Sherbrooke in the past 4 years, that's great!
There was 0 murder in Québec last year too, an area of about 1 million people.
If i look at Winnipeg, Calgary, Regina or whatever I can only ask myself: what the fuck is wrong with you people.

For Calgary, the prosperity has left people here with a lot of disposable income, and lots of people choose to spend it on drugs, and that is creating a very prosperous drug trade, and with a prosperous drug trade you get organized crime. Right now in Calgary there is a gang war which seems to be responsible for the vast majority of our murders and shootings. How can QC have a million people and no Murders, that is crazy!

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by johnnyc

For Calgary, the prosperity has left people here with a lot of disposable income, and lots of people choose to spend it on drugs, and that is creating a very prosperous drug trade, and with a prosperous drug trade you get organized crime. Right now in Calgary there is a gang war which seems to be responsible for the vast majority of our murders and shootings. How can QC have a million people and no Murders, that is crazy!

Actually, Quebec City was murder-free for around 20 months, from October 31, 2006 to July 18, 2008.

At least two (maybe one or two more) have taken place during the summer of 2008.

[The Trooper]

Originally Posted by johnnyc

For Calgary, the prosperity has left people here with a lot of disposable income, and lots of people choose to spend it on drugs, and that is creating a very prosperous drug trade, and with a prosperous drug trade you get organized crime. Right now in Calgary there is a gang war which seems to be responsible for the vast majority of our murders and shootings. How can QC have a million people and no Murders, that is crazy!

Quebec City has only 750,000 people and it's a very homogenous city which partially explain that it had not recorded a single murder in 2007. But they're catching up in 2008. For Montreal, alas we have our fair share of murders, shootings and drug trade mostly in poor over-populated multi-ethnic neighbourhoods like Montreal-Nord. This is mostlly attributable to street gangs and more mature organized crime.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by The Trooper

Quebec City has only 750,000 people and it's a very homogenous city which partially explain that it had not recorded a single murder in 2007. But they're catching up in 2008. For Montreal, alas we have our fair share of murders, shootings and drug trade mostly in poor over-populated multi-ethnic neighbourhoods like Montreal-Nord. This is mostlly attributable to street gangs and more mature organized crime.

I hear the homogeneity argument about Quebec City all the time but I’m not too sure about it. There are many very diverse places in the world that have low murder rates like Singapore, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and then there are relatively homogeneous places with high murder rates like Colombia, Jamaica, Venezuela, Poland, Costa Rica…

[The Trooper]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I hear the homogeneity argument about Quebec City all the time but I’m not too sure about it. There are many very diverse places in the world that have low murder rates like Singapore, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and then there are relatively homogeneous places with high murder rates like Colombia, Jamaica, Venezuela, Poland, Costa Rica…

I agree. We have to look at these things on a case by case basis. I think poverty and social exclusion are a more palatable explanation.

[MonkeyRonin]

Originally Posted by miketoronto

Toronto's murders are starting to get troubling. More and more murders are happening in suburban subdivisions or areas that you would not think crime would happen.

Why is that troubling? I thought you liked downtown/inner cities, you want all the murders to happen there or what?

There is also the issue that Toronto is becoming the crime capital of the GTA while the outter suburbs have very low rates of murder. Despite almost equal population numbers, the City of Toronto has double the murders the 905 does.

Becoming? It already was. Its the the outer suburbs that are starting to experience more crime, which is basically what you said in the first paragraph, making this part kind of contradictory, no?

EDIT: Actually, as of August 4, Georgina is the murder capital of the GTA with a homicide rate of 2.36/100,000. Pickering's 2.12 is also higher than Toronto's present rate of 1.68/100,000.

[vid]

He's jealous that urbanites aren't killing each other as much as suburbanites anymore. He's lamenting the loss of the independent murderer to suburban chain murderers. It's an alarming trend as murderers run north over Steeles Street to take part in lower taxes.

Thunder Bay is still at zero but that isn't for lack of trying. One local guy is in court for charges related to a murder for hire plot and the case of our last murder on December 24 2007 is going to trial soon. There have been lots of non-fatal stabbings and hit-and-runs, and corner store robbery is up.

[Tone]

Originally Posted by johnnyc

For Calgary, the prosperity has left people here with a lot of disposable income, and lots of people choose to spend it on drugs, and that is creating a very prosperous drug trade, and with a prosperous drug trade you get organized crime. Right now in Calgary there is a gang war which seems to be responsible for the vast majority of our murders and shootings. How can QC have a million people and no Murders, that is crazy!

Man, I lived in Calgary for a summer back in 2000 and had a great time. I'm really sad to see what is happening right now.

[JuelzJones]

chalk another two up for Toronto now thats 44



actually to be correct the town with the highest rate of homicide is Sutton with a per capita of 16.7/100k!!!!!!!!!!

see how stupid statistics are? Sutton had 1 murder with a population of 6,000

[vid]

Downtown Fort William last year had a murder rate of 101/100,000. It has less than 1,000 residents.

[JuelzJones]

lmaooo

[vid]

A few years ago it had two, and using the 2001 stats, where it had half as many people as it does now, that would be over 400/100,000.

But boundaries are arbitrary. This neighbourhood is pretty safe as long as you stay away from drugs.

[miketoronto]

What I meant about Toronto is that the murders are not contained to say the "projects" anymore, or specific areas. Now murders are happening in regular subdivisions, street corners, etc.

Ontop of that, murders within Toronto were almost always spread across the old metro region(the present City of toronto) and no one area stood out with more murders or crime than the other. However now we are moving into the direction where one area of the region is housing the majority of the crime(the 416) while the other regions(the 905) have very low low crime rates.

[mersar]

Looks like Red Deer has its first murder in 3 years, fortunately the suspect was arrested soon after as he was injured as well.

Originally Posted by vid

He's jealous that urbanites aren't killing each other as much as suburbanites anymore. He's lamenting the loss of the independent murderer to suburban chain murderers. It's an alarming trend as murderers run north over Steeles Street to take part in lower taxes.

We must bring the murders back downtown!

[1ajs]

why? seems silly infact the fact theres murders period should be alamring but its not all that bad inless ur a criminal or cheating on yer wife gf

[vid]

Your wife's girlfriend? Man, that's an opportunity!!

Originally Posted by miketoronto

Ontop of that, murders within Toronto were almost always spread across the old metro region(the present City of toronto) and no one area stood out with more murders or crime than the other. However now we are moving into the direction where one area of the region is housing the majority of the crime(the 416) while the other regions(the 905) have very low low crime rates.

What you said is this:

"Crime in the 416 used to be spread evenly throughout the 416. Now the 416 has more crime than the 905."

Two thoughts in the same paragraph, which nothing to logically connect them? That's a grammatical no-no!!!

[Nite]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I hear the homogeneity argument about Quebec City all the time but I’m not too sure about it. There are many very diverse places in the world that have low murder rates like Singapore, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and then there are relatively homogeneous places with high murder rates like Colombia, Jamaica, Venezuela, Poland, Costa Rica…

Colombia, Jamaica, Venezuela, and Costa Rica are very far from being homogeneous