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Originally Posted by roger1818
BRT or bus priority measures? They aren't the same thing.
Ottawa's transitway was first opened in 1983. Ottawa's population (using current boundaries) was 546,849 in 1981. Neither Kingston nor Windsor are even close to that.
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BRT lies on a spectrum. Most BRT in the world is not Ottawa Transitway level. Look at what London has planned with SHIFT to see what Kingston and Windsor could do.
And again, population numbers are not as relevant as you think they are.
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Originally Posted by acottawa
People seem to think political decisions are made by actuaries. It isn't population that matters for transit funding, it is swing ridings (ridings that change hands from time to time and a party needs for form a government). This is why areas like Kitchener-Waterloo, Orleans and the 416 suburbs get transit (or other) goodies and ridings like Ottawa-Vanier (where a serial killer could win as long as there was an "L" next to his name) do not.
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Exactly. It's also largely why Toronto has actually been so neglected on transit investment till the last few years. The Liberals knew they could win the 416 without doing anything. And the Conservatives knew they stood no chance at winning any seats in the 416. And so both parties had every incentive to prioritize other cities.
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Originally Posted by Acajack
Except that very little was invested in major capital transit projects in the two or three decades previous, so it's basically just a catch-up effort we're talking about. (I realize that Ottawa isn't the only city that suffered from non-investment in transit.)
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As you point out, it wasn't just Ottawa. There was a drought in transit construction in Ontario. And now Ottawa is effectively swimming in transit dollars.
People on this forum may not think this way. But if you're sitting in many of the other communities and you look at $5 billion for a million person town, you'll be asking your MP and MPP where your dollars are too.
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Originally Posted by Uhuniau
Montreal Road and other areas of Ottawa which are being deprived of meaningful transit solutions are denser, and, this is rather important, part of a metropolitan area of 1.3-million and growing.
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And you think the same argument can't be used of various avenues all over the GTA? What makes Montreal Rd more important than say a Yonge North subway or Durham BRT or Waterloo Stage 2? And virtually any major corridor in the GTA can generate more ridership today that anything on Montreal Rd will in the next half century.
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Originally Posted by Uhuniau
Kingston, Windsor, and Sudbury are 1/10th to 1/4th the size, less dense (massively so, in Sudbury's case) and the two latter are alternating between periods of low growth and outright stagnation.
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And their argument is going to be that transit will help them improve their quality of life and grow. And are you going to be the one to tell their MPPs and MPs to take a hike when they ask for funding?
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Originally Posted by Uhuniau
I fully support transit solutions for smaller and mid-sized cities and conurbations,
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Your last few comments certainly don't indicate this to be true at all.
"My community above all else. Who gives a shit about Kingston or Windsor or Sudbury?"
And to prove me right:
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Originally Posted by Uhuniau
but there is no reasonable planning horizon that sees even BRT in either of those three centres, let alone anything heavier.
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When I say BRT, I don't mean a billion dollar Transitway cutting across town. You do realize that BRT comes in different forms right? Most smaller communities will want what York has with VIVA or Brampton has with Zum or what London is planning with SHIFT.