noirish Los Angeles

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug

It was rather sad really. I felt sorry for the little monkey who had to give up all of his coins to the man. But he was doing what he was trained to do.

Old 1940s photos of LA show many "FURS" shops...most are very large. Can you imagine that today?

I meant your interaction sounded charming. You were such a cute kid, I can just imagine you encountering a tiny creature in a red suit. I don't really like to think about little monkeys dragged around on leashes working their little tails off for peanuts (and am now recalling how popular monkey fur coats were at one time). Meat markets too will go the way of fur shops some day, just not yet.

Remember belmont bob's recollection of the monkey who would deliver horsemeat to your car for your cat? I'm still laughing about that one. I can't help it.

Oh, wait that was you Hollywood Graham, and the monkey wasn't working, it was biting you. Sorry. Memory ---> shot.

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ebay

Was the photo booth outside the restaurant Hollywood Graham? Or do I have the wrong Lum?

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by tovangar2

I meant your interaction sounded charming. You were such a cute kid, I can just imagine you encountering a tiny creature in a red suit. I don't really like to think about little monkeys dragged around on leashes working their little tails off for peanuts (and am now recalling how popular monkey fur coats were at one time). Meat markets too will go the way of fur shops some day, just not yet.

Remember Belmont Bob's recollection of the monkey who would deliver horsemeat to your car for your cat? I'm still laughing about that one. I can't help it.

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ebay

Was the photo booth outside the restaurant Hollywood Graham? Or do I have the wrong Lum?

[TOV....I understood what you meant. ]
I can still remember the huge bags of ground horse meat we had delivered to our home in Alhambra for our poodle dog. I used to cook it for her and once I even ate some of it. My, my....how times have changed.

[Hollywood Graham]

Originally Posted by tovangar2

I meant your interaction sounded charming. You were such a cute kid, I can just imagine you encountering a tiny creature in a red suit. I don't really like to think about little monkeys dragged around on leashes working their little tails off for peanuts (and am now recalling how popular monkey fur coats were at one time). Meat markets too will go the way of fur shops some day, just not yet.

Remember Belmont Bob's recollection of the monkey who would deliver horsemeat to your car for your cat? I'm still laughing about that one. I can't help it.

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ebay

Was the photo booth outside the restaurant Hollywood Graham? Or do I have the wrong Lum?

Lum's photo booth (the type you stand behind a cartoonish character and your picture is taken) was not by his restaurant, it was by one of the coin toss wishing features. His place was just down a little bit from the Broadway entrance to ChinaTown. Alan had false teeth and like to make faces without them.
I worked at the pet food shop on Sunset by Westerly Terr. where Mabel had the monkey. The little darling bit me once.

[Tourmaline]

Originally Posted by Hollywood Graham

I remember the organ grinder and his assistant (monkey) in mid fifties playing around Alan Lum's tourist photo booth when ever we went to ChinaTown. My father knew almost all the shop and restaurant owners so we were there too often. Alan was a very important Tong member, when he died he had a huge funeral.

Capuchin monkeys, not an easy life.



1930 - A dog and his rider
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics35/00067194.jpg

The salesman selling the least number of cars has to take care of Adrienne shown here with Frank Millard

1959 - Millard's Sports Car Center in Encino
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics32/00050625.jpg





1942 - "Jon Hall, Maria Montez, Sabu, and Josephine, the most famous monkey in motion pictures."
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics23/00046158.jpg



1937 - Redondo Beach
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics07/00023307.jpg





1935 - Organ Grinder visits Los Feliz school
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00004/00004244.jpg

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by Hollywood Graham

Lum's photo booth (the type you stand behind a cartoonish character and your picture is taken) was not by his restaurant, it was by one of the coin toss wishing features. His place was just down a little bit from the Broadway entrance to ChinaTown. Alan had false teeth and like to make faces without them.
I worked at the pet food shop on Sunset by Westerly Terr. where Mabel had the monkey. The little darling bit me once.

Thank you. I did correct my previous post just before you replied. Sorry about my confusion. Yours was a great story :-)
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=12724

(Of course it was my ADHD-fueled confusion about the Victorian house that e_r liked that got us here to begin with.)

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Times do change CBD, but it depends entirely on where you are.

"Horse meat galloping off the shelves..."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-spite-3162605


bloomberg

[ethereal_reality]

Has anyone heard of the Throop Polytechnic Institute?



eBay / postmark 1908

[Flyingwedge]

Throop's name was changed to Caltech.

# # #

All I know about this house is that it was on Orange Grove Avenue in Pasadena. I couldn't find any other information. Does it look familiar to anyone?

March 1904 Carpentry and Building @ HathiTrust -- http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?i...ew=1up;seq=124

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

The NW corner of Market and Main Street in 1925, looking north.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/6856392...57628005877803

Peeking around the corner of the Temple Block at far right is the Post Office.
Looming above the Main Street buildings is the International Bank Building on Spring Street.

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And just a couple of years later. The International Bank Building/Bank of Italy Building still has decades to go, but the remnants of the Temple Block at right foreground, will soon be gone:

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/20103/rec/12

The cleared land gave a nice view of the County Courthouse. And now, except for the HOJ, everything in the photo is gone.

[HenryHuntington]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I just came across this 1951 slide on eBay (1 hour left on bidding. starting bid $150.00!)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PE-Pacific-E...item43d97c8d5a

"Bus running down Sunset Blvd. on a Hollywood High School tripper."

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PE-Pacific-E...item43d97c8d5a

The seller says the slide is rare; here's why:

"The bus in the photo started out as Los Angeles Motorcoach Company, transferred to Pacific Electric in 1949 when LAMC folded.
The bus is still wearing it's old sign as PE buses never displayed line number readings, thus adding to it's rarity!"

Is this statement correct rail-fans?

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I can't speak to the rarity of the slide, but the seller's statement about what we're seeing in the photo is correct. The Sunset Blvd. bus route was LAMC's Line 83, and PE typically didn't display route numbers on its own busses and trains.

Los Angeles Motor Coach Company was a joint venture of LARy (later LATL) and PE which dated from the 1920s. By 1949, bus operations of each company had reached critical mass, and the respective companies decided that they could save money by dividing the assets and operations of LAMC between them and integrating its operations into their own organizations.

L.A. Metro's Library has a collection of LAMC photos here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/metrol...7607899740431/

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

All I know about this house is that it was on Orange Grove Avenue in Pasadena. I couldn't find any other information. Does it look familiar to anyone?

March 1904 Carpentry and Building @ HathiTrust -- http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?i...ew=1up;seq=124

It's here: http://annerdman.blogspot.com/2013_06_01_archive.html
and here: http://www.permies.com/t/45024/fores...ena-California

The (older?) main house is here and here

I hope that helps. I don't really know the story of Carmelita and the Carrs except this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_S._Carr

P.S. Here, I shook the google a little harder and this fell out:

cafe pasadena

The Reeds bought Carmelita from the Carrs and built this

[Otis Criblecoblis]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Has anyone heard of the Throop Polytechnic Institute?



eBay / postmark 1908

Throop Polytechnic Institute did begin to evolve into Caltech in 1908, but before that time it was a different sort of institution. It placed the manual arts on the same level as the liberal arts and the sciences. Its motivating principle was that learning how to work with one's hands, how to solve physical problems by direct action, helped build a better citizen whether one went on to become a machinist or a lawyer, a physician or a plumber.

Ernest Batchelder taught at Throop. He was named Director of the Art Department in 1907, not too long before the institution decided to specialize in engineering and the sciences. This change was largely orchestrated by George Ellery Hale. Batchelder wasn't exactly tossed out on his ear, and would likely have been given something to do for as long as he wanted to stay.

But Batchelder was concerned for his students whose training in art had been so rudely terminated. It was for this reason that he started his tile studio. He wanted to give his former students an opportunity to learn more about art and design while at the same time learning salable skills.

And so, Throop Polytechnic gave birth not just to Caltech, but the Batchelder-Wilson Tile Company as well.

[GaylordWilshire]

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

Full expandable view here:
http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm...id/77113/rec/1

I dug around a little--a Morris Garage--there is one at far right in the bigger picture--was listed at 601 E Compton...to the west of this address on a the corner today is an interesting Deco building, but it does not seem to correspond to the Market Basket... or maybe it was a block farther west, now an empty lot... or not on Compton Blvd at all. no Market Basket listings in Compton CDs in the '40s. There appears to be a post office at far left of big pic, but not enough detail to confirm that this is Compton. There is a "Pete's" filling station at the far right--also not in the 1946 Compton directory. To its left appears to be a possible street number--maybe 146 or 146. I think one of our foamers will have to sort this one out based on the PE car and the interurban routes.

I was all set to believe that the Market Basket might have been at the NW corner of Willowbrook and El Segundo Blvd...if that is a post office at the extreme left of the vintage shot, there is still one in the corresponding spot. Only trouble is, as Lorendoc points out, the signboard indicates a northbound train...

[ethereal_reality]

Hawthorne Blvd. & 133rd Street, 1950s.



http://s160.photobucket.com/user/Chu...a/HB5.jpg.html



The Modern Way Furniture Store building still stands (see below)


GSV



http://s160.photobucket.com/user/Chu...a/HB4.jpg.html


The Thrifty building still stands as well.


GSV



And here's a view of the opposite side of the street.


http://s160.photobucket.com/user/Chu...a/HB7.jpg.html


Several of the old blade signs are still intact.


GSV

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[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Hawthorne Blvd. & 133rd Street, 1950s.



Several of the old blade signs are still intact.


GSV

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ER:

I never heard the phrase "blade sign". I checked it on Google and sure enough its a real thing. So much to learn.

[ethereal_reality]

Commercial buildings on Mills Place looking toward Colorado Blvd., May 1977, Pasadena


http://cityofpasadena.net/library/central_library.aspx



below: 38 years later!


GSV

above: There's brick under that awful stucco (you can see it in the 1977 photo) It looked better when the stucco was falling off.




1977, from a different angle.


http://cityofpasadena.net/library/central_library.aspx



2015

GSV
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Today, 22 Mills Place is now the Equator Restaurant and Bar.


GSV


A peek inside.


http://pasadenanow.com/living/growin.../#.VRmJ0ul0xDw

It looks great except for the damn TV!




Here's the Equator's next door neighbor again.


I couldn't find any additional info. on it. (is it a part of Equator?)
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[tovangar2]

There's a little history on the Equator building (now the Edwin Mills) here

Spandena House may have made it out of Culver City, but the Storybook Lawrence and Martha Joseph residences are still at 3819 Dunn Drive, between Washington and Venice, just a block from Sony Studios:

gsv

Started by a Disney artist, with the remodel of an existing home in 1946, construction stretched over decades. The LA Conservancy has more info.















photos: yahoo

More info on Storybook architecture:

http://storybookers.com/
http://www.latimes.com/home/la-hm-st...togallery.html

[AlvaroLegido]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

A peak inside.


http://pasadenanow.com/living/growin.../#.VRmJ0ul0xDw

It looks great except for the damn TV!

We have the same disturbance in France. Everybody has a TV at home by now, if people goes to a bar, it is mainly to escape for a while what they have at home and befriend folks without interference.

I can't stand those bars TV and of course it's useless to tell them how much it's a disturbance : the whole world runs by mimicry (if the bar at the corner diffuses TV, I have to do it. The bigger the screen and the sound, the better). Finally I had an idea that works often well : I tell the bartender that «Sorry,  I have an headache : please can you bring down the sound that hurts me ? » TV without sound is 90% less of a disturbance.

[tovangar2]

I was scouting around in Boyle Heights and found lovely, 4-acre, tear-shaped Prospect Park tucked into the little pocket made by the San Bernardino, Golden State and Santa Ana freeways. Boyle Heights was subdivided by William Workman (1839-1918) in 1868 from his Paredon Blanco vineyards. One-hundred-and-five-acre Brooklyn Heights was further subdivided in 1876. It finally got off the ground in the late 1880s during the then boom. There are still a number of late 1880s homes around Prospect Park on Mitchell Place, Bridge Street and Echandia, which borders the park (some street names have been changed). Residents would have crossed the covered 1873* bridge at Macy Street to get home from town. Incredible to think how much LA has been through, the scandals, earthquakes, floods and so much built and demolished, but these unassuming little homes, isolated on their hilltop, seem to have remained blissfully unaware of it all.

1877 View over Prospect Park, looking west across Los Angeles.
El Aliso is on Aliso, LAHS on Poundcake Hill, the Plaza is recognizable and
the old Clock Tower Courthouse is right where it should be:

kcet

1887:


1889:


This one looks like my (probably erroneous) idea of a Hoosier farm, built 1886:


This one still has its barn, now rehabbed into another residence:


1889 (the old, red-sandstone County Courthouse hadn't even opened yet when this one was hammered together):


This pretty pair (probably a bit later than the others) face Prospect Park:


all: gsv

* date of the Macy Street covered bridge thx to Boyle Heights History Blog

[HossC]

Here's a slide that I don't remember seeing before. The view is looking north across the 101 Freeway in 1966. Although the seller doesn't give the photographer's location, I'm guessing that it must have been the top of City Hall.


eBay

[Flyingwedge]

Originally Posted by tovangar2

I hope that helps. I don't really know the story of Carmelita and the Carrs except this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_S._Carr

P.S. Here, I shook the google a little harder and this fell out:

cafe pasadena

The Reeds bought Carmelita from the Carrs and built this

Thanks, T2. The house is on the 1951 Pasadena Sanborn Map, which shows Holly Street being built south of the house (Holly Street being an extension of the street on the map below that ends at Orange Grove between Grove and Av.). The street cut the house off from Carmelita Park (the "ornamental grounds" on the map below) to the south. The 134 Freeway runs through there now. At HistoricAerials.com, the 1953 photo might show the house -- it's hard to tell -- but it seems to be absent from the 1964 photo.

Here's the home in the upper right corner. The two-story addition in the southwest corner of the home (near the 290) must have come after the photo I posted, but the round water tank behind the house in that photo seems to be on the map south of the house:

1903 Pasadena Sanborn Map @ LAPL