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Old Posted Mar 19, 2014, 12:06 PM
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Renderings show an updated LaGuardia






By Rebecca Harshbarger
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2014, 12:09 PM
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A little more from the article...





http://nypost.com/2014/03/19/new-ren...ardia-airport/

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This is what La Guardia Airport could look like by 2021 — a far cry from the current dilapidated “Third World” facility.

Manhattan design firm Neoscape created renderings that showcase a modern-looking airport with an airy main terminal, based on parameters established by the Port Authority.

The 1.3-million-square-foot space is one-third larger than the current central terminal.

La Guardia currently handles double the amount of passengers for which it was built. About 12 million people travel through the airport each year, and the number is expected to rise to 18 million by 2030.

The new airport design leaves space for a future direct subway line.

“This comprehensive vision integrates a modern, efficient and innovative design, including the striking all-glass facade, into La Guardia’s main terminal,” said Joseph Sitt, chairman of the advocacy group Global Gateway Alliance.

The PA will complete the La Guardia makeover by 2021. It is expected to pick a firm in the next few weeks for the project.
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2014, 11:47 PM
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A LaGuardia train, and other early ‘reinvention’ proposals


By Dana Rubinstein
Jul. 16, 2014


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Some of the finest minds in transportation descended on the Metropolitan Transportation Authority’s Madison Avenue headquarters Tuesday afternoon to engage in an unusual brainstorming exercise: What should be done to fix the M.T.A.?

The occasion was the first public meeting of Governor Andrew Cuomo’s election-year M.T.A. reinvention commission, a body he created in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy, which deluged and then hobbled the system, and after the Metro-North derailment that killed four passengers, the first passenger deaths in the railroad’s history.

Tom Prendergast, the Cuomo-appointed M.T.A. chairman, invited some of the most prestigious names in transit to join the commission, and several of the the region’s transit leaders appeared before those experts on Tuesday to offer their advice, of both the specific and unspecific variety.

.....“We need an Air Train that goes to LaGuardia,” said McDonald, the transportation commissioner for Cuomo, who promised to improve New York City's airports in this year's state of the state speech. “And do we have dedicated lanes that go to LaGuardia and JFK? People are willing to pay for that. And we just have to personally—I think we have to bite the bullet and move on. But I don’t make all those decisions. Just that one little caveat at the end.”
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A LaGuardia train, and other early ‘reinvention’ proposals


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Direct train service to JFK would be incredible.
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Here is an excellent opinion of AMM @secondavenuesagas blog.

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I can’t say I have much hope for improvement. The problems the MTA and other public transportation in the NYC area are not structural. They are political.

The NYC area consists of many squabbling constituencies and power centers, all of which focus on their narrow (and often short-sighted) interests, represented by politicians and other leaders or officers who put their own egos and benefit first, the perceived interests of their constituents second, and the general welfare last. The result is that the policies, such as they are, reflect the state of the tug-of-war of the moment rather than any rational goals, and change with the shifts of power.

The only way anything gets done is for one person to get enough power to override any other constituencies, which is why NYC has ended up with an elected-dictator form of government and NYS is essentially ruled by a triumvirate (governor and the heads of the state senate and assembly.) Unfortunately, none of them has shown much interest in the state of public transportation.

You can “restructure” the MTA all you want, but it’s like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titannic.
Aka... nothing will happen just talk -- exactly like Community Boards.
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Direct train service to JFK would be incredible.
This would be nice but I doubt it will happen. Not only would the costs be astronomical, but it would literally take forever to build.
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2014, 11:13 AM
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I agree. I still think the N subway line could be extended to the airport.

Anyway more of then MTA reinvention continued from post #63

https://www.facebook.com/TransportationReinvention
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Whew! Hundreds of ideas received just in the past three days. Here are a few of the public comments from our last session today: 1) LaGuardia Airport needs better public transportation access – 21st century access; 2) need to increase transit awareness with a coordinated service map for region's core; 3) serve affordable housing at edge [of the city] and bolster emergency service; 4) develop a ferry connection from La Guardia airport to lower Manhattan waterfront; and, 5) add one subway train on each line with a white canvas for artists. Thanks to everyone who participated and keep the ideas coming!
I'm not sure why some people still think of ferries to get around. High-operating costs and serves a few people, not worth it my opinion. Anyway this takes us back to post #65, where politicians want ferries on the Rockaways or Washington Heights etc..
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Where are they proposing to put this new terminal that it doesnt interfere with current operations?
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BY DANIEL GEIGER
JULY 18, 2014
LaGuardia terminal makeover hit with new delay
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The Port Authority of New York & New Jersey is expected to put off until September its selection of a winning bidder for the $3.6 billion redevelopment of the airport's antiquated main terminal.
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The Port Authority of New York & New Jersey has alerted the three bidders competing for the $3.6 billion redevelopment of LaGuardia Airport's main terminal building that it is pushing back its pick of a winner until September, sources say.
According to people familiar with the bidding process, which began over a year ago, the Port Authority had been expected to pick a winning bidder for the massive project at its board meeting in Manhattan on July 23.
Sources say that part of the delay is not only to give the Port Authority additional time to evaluate the bids, but to weigh what work needs be done to the rest of the airport—a facility which has been widely maligned as hopelessly antiquated and run down. As a result, in addition to announcing its choice of a developer for the main terminal in September the Port Authority is now expected to release a request for proposals from the private firms on how to refurbish and improve the rest of the airport which opened 75 years ago.
The delay is not the first for the main-terminal project, one of the largest upcoming infrastructure projects in the city. In a preliminary timeframe for the project, the Port Authority expected to actually be underway with the project's construction by this month, a deadline that was subsequently pushed back.
A spokesman for the Port Authority said that previously the agency had only specified that it would pick a winning bidder by the end of the third quarter of this year.
"This is a major project for the next half century. There must be time to wisely consider it and a few months are hardly relevant. also there are directors who came aboard since the airport plan was created, including a new chairman who was just confirmed last week," said Kenneth Lipper, a former Wall Street executive who was appointed to the Port last year by Gov. Andrew Cuomo. "I hope that the next review, is not the last one either; from experience I can tell you that a large capital plan such as the Port Authority's is a living document."
Over time the scope of the terminal building redevelopment has shifted, sources say. Initially, a private sector group was to rebuild the main terminal, which will include retail space and aircraft gates, and the Port Authority was to deliver key surrounding infrastructure such as parking garages and roadways. The three final bidders are all now all taking on the responsibility for delivering the roadway and garage work in addition to the terminal.
The main terminal building's redevelopment has been looked at as an important project not only for its sheer size but because of its innovative structure. By soliciting private sector partners, the Port Authority is trying to adopt a new public-private partnership model for major infrastructure development. In such so-called P3 projects, the bi-state agency will hand off the risks of construction budget overruns to the private sector, which will fund much of the work in return for a portion of the revenue stream from terminal operations for years to come. But the process has had some hitches. In March, a fourth finalist, called Aerostar New York Holdings, was disqualified for allegedly viewing the competing bids.
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While LGA needs redevelopment ASAP. I'm glad they're looking at the bigger picture. More than just a new terminal, LGA needs a major airside rearrangement. The two crossing runway situation has to be resolved, and the Runway 4 approach interferes with the Runway 13s at JFK.

If they were smart, they'd get rid of the 4-22 runway at LGA, and build another 13-31. They could use then use the land at the 22 end of that runway as the location for the new terminal. They could also fill in the seaplane basin and extend the old 13-31 to 9,000' and build the new one to 10,000'
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Proposed Design for new Terminal

wonder how they are going to maintain existing operations if part of the plan is to build over the existing
source: Newsday
http://www.newsday.com/news/new-york...inal-1.7689403

http://www.scribd.com/doc/217871535/...ntral-terminal
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This could lead to something worthwhile. Expansion/renovation is dearly needed.
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It's interesting that more parking would be added. Have they heard of the NYC Subway? Just extend the N over there and it will take the business people to many areas within Midtown for $2.50. What a bargain!

Meanwhile, taxi drivers all laughing all the way to the bank...

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It's interesting that more parking would be added. Have they heard of the NYC Subway? Just extend the N over there and it will take the business people to many areas within Midtown for $2.50. What a bargain!

Meanwhile, taxi drivers all laughing all the way to the bank...
Extend it if they tunnel the N. Otherwise, no sail as it would F up a neighborhood big time. I doubt that would ever happen because NIMBY outcry would be deafening.

They're broke so that tunnel won't happen for a long long time. I see the air-train solution to a subway station/LIRR as the only thing that could happen in the next decade. Unless of course NYC gets a very transit happy mayor some day and he's all gung ho for big projects. The N though is probably the best solution but the most expensive and least likely.

Air-train to woodside is a reasonable alternative as it is headed into midtown, albeit with a stop. Better than nothing. A one-seat ride is ideal, but NYC doesn't know how, or have the will, to put that together. None of the airports have this and nobody seems to care in city hall or in the PA. Being in London and on the marvelous Heathrow Express last year, one can only wonder how amazing it would be for NY to have it's act together in the transit department.

The terminal reconstruction is way overdue. Hopefully the design is not cookie-cutter and we see some unique work here worthy of the most coveted gateway into NYC. NY has seen enough cookie cutter airport architecture for a long time. Over at JFK the new terminals have all been nice, modern, but uninspired and not reflective of NY. T1, T4, T5, T8 are all nice but average on the global scale and they could be anywhere. Airport architecture needs to reflect better the spirit of the locale and hopefully this terminal will show something that is grand and uniquely NYC. Other cities have raced ahead in this area, NY is falling behind.

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^ Valone supported the N subway extension a few months ago but I do agree that some Astoria residents would derail the project again. I could see the elevated line extended over 21st avenue but it would have to raze a few homes.

Also, considering that we have a pro-watered down "Bus Rapid Transit" mayor and a governor that hates mass transit for some reason, it's true that it won't happen anytime soon. The airtrain is most likely to get built but that will have to be after the renovation is finished (or when/if space for rail is built).

Wait -- will there actually be space for rail at the new airport? I'm a bit skeptical because the PA (or worse if Cuomo gets his hand on it) can choose not to build it due to cost overruns or something else. The missing #7 stop was bad enough.

Finally, I don't want to start with the union/work regulations stuff but I honestly don't think it will take 7 years to complete. Look at the mess at Fulton Center, PATH Terminal, and Moynihan Station Phase 1.

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Finally, I don't want to start with the union/work regulations stuff but I honestly don't believe that it will take 7 years to complete. Look at the mess at Fulton Center, PATH Terminal, and Moynihan Station Phase 1.
Of course it will - probably even longer. Those organizations are abject disasters. Incompetent, corrupt and completely unwilling to do anything unless it benefits the legions of special interest scumbags who have made a lucrative career out of overpriced and poorly run contracts, or politicians looking to score votes.

I've spent a good amount of time working in Massachusetts politics, home of three speakers of the house (the current guy may very well make #4) in a row who are convicted felons, a notoriously corrupt probation department, a shockingly mismanaged department for human services and of course, the Big Dig which only went ten times over budget (it was supposed to cost 2 billion and ended up costing 20 billion). I can only surmise that the PA and MTA are even worse organizations.
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Do you have a map for AirTrain? Where the train go? Is the AirTrain will go to JFK?
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The second image highlights why LGA really need a train connection compared to the other two major airports. The Port Authority is even planning to expand the PATH to Newark Liberty Intl Airport in 2018 at a cost of 1.5 Billion (aka 4 Billion when all is said and done)
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If only there was a direct connection to JFK. Having to go through the urine soaked Jamacia station is a depressing event.
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The extension to Newark Airport was supposed to be $400 from earlier reports then jumped to $1 Billion a few months later. I wonder what happened there...
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