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I know we're all for skyscrapers here but if 29 comes down it would be a major loss.
Yes, it would be. Because one doesn't think Manhattan without thinking 29 W. 57th.

But fear not...

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01

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RENOVATION TO FACADE AS INDICATED ON DRAWINGS. NO CHANGE IN USE EGRESS OR OCCUPANCY. SIDEWALK SHED/SCAFFOLD TO BE FILED UNDER SEPARATE APPLICATION.

It appears they all have permits for renovation, so nothing coming down just yet.
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A note on progress: the ornamentation off of 33 has been stripped, making one believe that there may be an interim phase for these buildings before total demolition.

Also there is a petition to landmark 31, with a side note to landmark 29, since it is also owned by the Vornado Real Estate Trust.

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A note on progress: the ornamentation off of 33 has been stripped, making one believe that there may be an interim phase for these buildings before total demolition.
Hmmm, interesting.


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Also there is a petition to landmark 31, with a side note to landmark 29, since it is also owned by the Vornado Real Estate Trust.

http://saverizzoli.org

They always start those things after its too late.


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Rizzoli Bookstore Demolition: 57th Street Building Lacks Significance
For Landmark Protection, Says NYC Committee



The bookstore’s management had requested that the city evaluate the property to determine if it qualifies for landmark protection. In a letter obtained by International Business Times, Marry Beth Betts, a commission researcher, said a senior staff committee carefully reviewed the building but declined to recommend it for further consideration as an individual New York City Landmark.

The bookstore had apparently argued for landmark status on the grounds that the building, not far from Steinway Hall, was once the location of a piano showroom, and is therefore a historic remnant of the city’s influential piano industry. The commission, however, pointed out that it has already commemorated that industry through the designation of Steinway Hall and its first-floor reception room, among other locations.

“The committee recommends that these sites, in comparison to 31 W. 57th Street, provide a better representation of the piano’s industry’s historic significance to New York City,” Betts wrote.
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Awesome write-up from New York YIMBY, but I'm truly perturbed:

In the Works: 27-33 West 57th Street
BY: NIKOLAI FEDAK ON JANUARY 24TH 2014 AT 6:00 AM


29 West 57th Street & neighbors this past October

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Yet another supertall may soon begin construction on 57th Street; The New York Times reported that Vornado and LeFrak are about to begin demolition at 31 West 57th Street and two adjacent properties, which could yield a tower of significant size. Unfortunately, the development may begin with the demise of 29 West 57th Street, which is one of the few remaining pre-war buildings on 57th Street actually worthy of exterior preservation.

While there has been popular outrage against the impending demolition of Rizzoli — because it’s not like the book store would have closed soon, anyways — the real issue, which has seemingly been ignored, is that 29 West 57th also appears to be included in Vornado’s assemblage, which stretches from 27 to 33 West 57th Street. Black shrouding has gone up over the facades of all buildings at the site, likely signaling their imminent demise.

Permits for exterior renovation were issued late last year, but given 29 West 57th’s lack of landmarking, updating the filings to full demolition would be quite simple — as Vornado has already announced intentions to demolish the existing buildings, it would seem to be a matter of time before the scope of work is expanded.

29 West 57th Street was originally built in 1924 for Chickering Pianos, and it was designed by Cross & Cross. At only thirteen floors, it does not impact the skyline, but its presence and charm on the street-scape are undeniable, especially given the gilded detailing.

With work seemingly about to begin, Vornado’s plans remain fuzzy. Air rights could potentially include the Hadassah site, at 50 West 58th Street, which sold for $71.5 million to an undisclosed buyer back in 2012; the block’s patchwork of high-profile owners definitely presents an obstacle to anything enormous, but even as-is, 27-33 West 57th Street could accommodate a spindly residential supertall.

29 West 57th Street and the black netting of doom


29 West 57th Street & neighbors, the low-rise without shrouding is 35 West 57th Street
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Great news, and I expect a skinny residential supertall.

The buildings that may be demolished are pleasant, but not landmark-worthy. "Old and nice" is not a worthy criteria, IMO.
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Is there an overhead showing the totality of the sites that could make up this tower?
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No, this is not good. Save 29 W 57th st!
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...Vornado’s assemblage, which stretches from 27 to 33 West 57th Street...
So according to YIMBY's article, 35 West 57th isn't part of the development anymore? It would make sense since Park Lane is directly north of 35 West and views would be obstructed. And on the other hand, the lots east of 35 West just clear Park Lane and have the views of Central Park.

Here's 27-33 West-- you can see where 35 West and Park Lane would overlap:

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So according to YIMBY's article, 35 West 57th isn't part of the development anymore?
It isn't clear. Vornado owns everything from 29 to 35 W. 57, plus possible air rights.
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This is going by very fast. Those prewar beauties are coming down.
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It would have a very small footprint, about the size of the 111 W. 57th St site...






Likely to be a very slim, very tall "needle" tower with great views, and only the Solow Building blocking immediate views east, until (or if) it rises above.


















Also, in some of those aerials, you will notice the very small 22 CPS (next to the Plaza) which itself has undergone conversion to a luxury building....


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huh?? 29 w57th is set to come down?? man, that's horrible. the bookstore, whatever, this one is old gotham, a real loss.
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Don't understand why there's no love for the bookstore.. its not just that its a handsome building with an intact historic interior, its that its an amenity that gives normal people a reason to go to the 57th street corridor. It's a great bookstore that showcases Rizzoli publishing (and happens to have a strong architecture publishing sector). As amazing and fantastic as the 57th street projects are, there needs to be places like this that aren't catering directly to the tourist or millionaire crowd.

I feel the sentiment on this forum tends towards the proliferation of skyscrapers no matter the cost or impact, but here's a real example of where buildings that clearly advance the New York narrative are in threat of demolition.

--And to clarify the building behind these 4 structures in threat of demolition is not the ugly hadassah building, but another (more modest) prewar building. I don't see how this will benefit the neighborhood.
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Don't understand why there's no love for the bookstore.. its not just that its a handsome building with an intact historic interior, its that its an amenity that gives normal people a reason to go to the 57th street corridor.
Because the bookstore already said it will relocate. It's lease is up and can't afford the rent anyways, so will relocate regardless.

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I feel the sentiment on this forum tends towards the proliferation of skyscrapers no matter the cost or impact, but here's a real example of where buildings that clearly advance the New York narrative are in threat of demolition.
Because 95% of Manhattan is filled with prewar structures, so most people aren't going to cry too much if the percent goes down to 92% or something, and we get a bunch of starchitect-designed skinny supertalls in return.

Manhattan will still be dominated overwhelmingly by prewars, and NYC is given a chance to grow, and have some architectural variety, and not become a New World version of Venice. If you say "don't demolish prewars in Manhattan" then you mean "don't build anything in Manhattan", so there has to be some mechanism to allow some development on these sites.
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And to clarify the building behind these 4 structures in threat of demolition is not the ugly hadassah building, but another (more modest) prewar building. I don't see how this will benefit the neighborhood.
Tax revenue, new business, architectural variety and more mixed uses. And the Hadassah building is supposedly in play (I don't know if air rights or a separate project by same developer.).

Also, these skinny new towers permanently preserve many prewars, because they buy the air rights from the prewars, and take tiny lots, as opposed to the bulkier buildings of past generations, which destroyed far more older buildings.
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Is there an overhead showing the totality of the sites that could make up this tower?
Here, Blue sites are owned by BOB57 LLC, presumably part of Vornado.
Red is the Park Lane, and maroon is 29-35 w57th. There's only 2 other buildings separating the two parcels, so its possible that they could be joined up.



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http://www.city-data.com/ny-properti...-Street-2.html
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Don't understand why there's no love for the bookstore.. its not just that its a handsome building with an intact historic interior, its that its an amenity that gives normal people a reason to go to the 57th street corridor.
Yeah, because most New Yorker's are rushing to get into that book store. Please.

It will be relocated, and anyone wants to visit will continue to do so. It's an experience that can be created anywhere, frankly.

Of concern to the people who really matter is that the store stay open.
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http://www.columbiaspectator.com/art...ome-demolition

Rizzoli searches for new home before demolition





By Abby Mitchell
February 6, 2014


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Though the building’s owners, the LeFrak organization and the Vornado Realty Trust, have publicized their plans to demolish the building and two adjacent townhouses, they have not divulged their plans for what will come after. At present, there are no demolitions currently on order from the Department of Buildings.

In an interview with Spectator, Rizzoli New York publisher Charles Miers, CC ’81, said that there is not yet a firm schedule for the bookstore to vacate, but that it’s currently looking for a new location in Manhattan.

.....The building’s supporters have not given up. As of press time, a petition on Change.org to landmark the building had garnered over 12,751 signatures.

The fight for the building falls into a larger debate on development in Midtown East. Whatever replaces Rizzoli and its adjacent buildings will join a slew of high rises slated for construction on 57th street. In an op-ed in the New York Times, Kenneth Jackson, Columbia professor and president emeritus of the New-York Historical Society, argued that this change should be seen positively, and that excessive landmarking impedes growth.

“While the historic preservation achievements of the past half century have been remarkable, the local effort has moved well beyond its original purpose. Landmark designation now covers more than 31,000 properties across the city,” he wrote. “Its goal seems to be to preserve anything that will maintain the streetscape, whether or not the individual structures have significance. Entire blocks are frozen on the logic that the first buildings ever put there are also the best that could ever be imagined there.”


http://nycitylens.com/2014/02/an-ico...ts-to-survive/

An Iconic Bookstore Facing Demolition Fights to Survive
Rizzoli could be torn down for a luxury high-rise. Signers of an online petition are howling in protest



February 6, 2014
by Lucia De Stefani


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Rizzoli Bookstore may be old and elegant, but it is not going down without a fight.

The bookseller – housed in a beautiful six-story townhouse at 31 West 57th - is facing eviction from its home of almost 30 years. The structure’s owners are planning to tear it down in favor of a luxury high-rise, on a street already becoming known as Billionaires’ Row.

An online petition initiated by a group calling itself Save Rizzoli Bookstore, which includes Rizzoli staff members, is collecting a passionate outpouring from friends and patrons of the store. The aim is to get the New York City Landmark Commission to reconsider and designate the building as a landmark, blocking the development.

In two weeks, more than 10,000 patrons have signed the petition. The number was up to 12,879 by Thursday afternoon, and many signers left comments. “The Rizzoli Bookstore is the most beautiful bookstore in NYC, it should be preserved and not demolished,” says a man from Canada. “The building is beautiful and perfect home for a fantastic bookstore,” adds a lady from New York. “This is one of New York’s very beautiful buildings,” writes a woman from Sidney, Australia.

The owners of the building, the LeFrak real estate family and Vornado Realty Trust, have a big plan in mind: another luxury high-rise on a street that is becoming known for them. A spokesman from Vornado Realty Trust declined to comment about the project and requests for comment to LeFrak have not yet been returned. New construction sites are not new to West 57th Street. Its proximity to Fifth Avenue and the view of Central Park makes it, indeed, the perfect location for new luxury buildings. A “Billionaires’ Row,” as described in The New York Times, seems to be the future for this neighborhood.
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“This is one of New York’s very beautiful buildings,” writes a woman from Sidney, Australia.

Thanks. I'll be sure to start protesting construction that goes on in your country from now on.

“Its goal seems to be to preserve anything that will maintain the streetscape, whether or not the individual structures have significance. Entire blocks are frozen on the logic that the first buildings ever put there are also the best that could ever be imagined there.”

Does anyone have this guys number? I'd like to buy him a drink.
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^I agree, he's a true skyscraper bro.
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