Wpg: Chief Peguis Trail Extension

[mcpish]

To make it clearer, here is an overhead view of the existing Henderson/Perimeter Interchange:



Now if we simply flip the same image over and imagine this is Main Street and Chief Peguis it would look something like this, but just imagine there is more space between Main and the Kildonan Settlers Bridge (but you get the idea), This is the reason why CPT should go OVER Main and not under it. It would be too great of a grade change from over the river to under Main.

[mcpish]

Upon more reflection, I realized that there is actually a much simpler interchange design that would work for Chief Peguis Trail & Route 90. This could even be used for Chief Peguis Trail & Leila (although it might be overkill for that).

The example is the existing Highway 59/Bird's Hill Park Interchange. It provides full ramp access for all 3 directions without requiring any flyovers lanes.

This is the existing Highway 59/Bird's Hill Park Interchange



Now imagine if this is Route 90 / Chief Peguis Trail. This allows for full grade separation for all directions with no intersections and no flyover lanes required either.

[The Jabroni]

This is great, mcpish!

We know the cynics in all of us will definitely say something, but dammit, let's dream about this for a bit!!

[mattpa]

the thing is with the trumpet interchange is that chief will be going right to the centre port way so it cant be that interchange but one can hope it was be freeflowing

[CoryB]

It seems like some prep work has started on the Headingly extension. You can definitely see some action this spring at CCW and the Perimeter.

In terms of grade separations keep in mind that truck traffic and CentrePort are key drivers of this road work. Also CPT doesn't dead end at Route 90 however it keeps heading west and connects up to CCW.

With that in mind the top priority for grade separations in this leg will be a full interchange at route 90. Overall the top priority for CPT will be the grade separation roughly known as Gunn Rd and the Perimeter currently. When CPT goes east of Lag that will also be high on the priority list.

As for Main and CPT I am not a traffic engineer. That said, CPT is back to grade when it meets Main currently. It also appears to be possible to set up a construction detour for Main west of thru current route. To have CPT raised over Main continuing at height from the bridge would likely require CPT be completely closed between Main and Henderson during construction.

[Biff]

Excellent work mcpish. It is nice to see actual imagery for what could be.

[BigG]

^^I agree. Great work mcpish!

[steveosnyder]

I like the pictures, but most of this has already been hashed out by the Transportation Planning department. According to Bid-Op 533-2014 we have:

Parcelo @ Main, Diamond @ Ferrier, McPhillips, and Pipeline, Lighted at grade @ Leila and Dr. Jose Rizel, and at grade crossings of all rail lines. Here's a link to all the info for it -- the main part is section D.

http://www.winnipeg.ca/finance/finda...r_Proposal.pdf

[esquire]

Originally Posted by steveosnyder

I like the pictures, but most of this has already been hashed out by the Transportation Planning department. According to Bid-Op 533-2014 we have:

Parcelo @ Main, Diamond @ Ferrier, McPhillips, and Pipeline, Lighted at grade @ Leila and Dr. Jose Rizel, and at grade crossings of all rail lines. Here's a link to all the info for it -- the main part is section D.

http://www.winnipeg.ca/finance/finda...r_Proposal.pdf

Interesting.... I'm sure everything will be at grade from the start. Considering the cost of simply extending the pavement from Main to Route 90, I doubt there will be much left over for interchanges.

But that said, I wonder why they call for eventually adding a diamond at Ferrier and not at Leila? Leila strikes me as being much busier than Ferrier.

[Reignman]

Originally Posted by steveosnyder

and at grade crossings of all rail lines.

Why Winnipeg, why..?!?! What's the cost of a basic rail overpass??

As for Leila and Jose Rizal...if they cannot be grade separated, then don't connect them to the expressway. Simple as that. If they are that important of a route that they need connection to CPT, then the cost of a diamond should be justified.

[The Jabroni]

Originally Posted by Reignman

Why Winnipeg, why..?!?! What's the cost of a basic rail overpass??

As for Leila and Jose Rizal...if they cannot be grade separated, then don't connect them to the expressway. Simple as that. If they are that important of a route that they need connection to CPT, then the cost of a diamond should be justified.

Agreed, but the problem is that there is already land reserved, so I won't be surprised if they go to the cheapest and "dangerous" route of putting an intersection and traffic lights, which is obviously lame.

Grade separations, or bust!

[rypinion]

Originally Posted by Reignman

Why Winnipeg, why..?!?! What's the cost of a basic rail overpass??

But what is the benefit of a basic rail overpass? The line that CPT will cross is not busy. Steveosnyder should know - the rail line used to be his backyard before Riverbend filled in. Is there even one train per week?

[mattpa]

the thing that annoys me is they have 300million marked for this project saskatoon circle drive was 330 clearly the whole project could be grade seperations

[steveosnyder]

Originally Posted by rypinion

But what is the benefit of a basic rail overpass? The line that CPT will cross is not busy. Steveosnyder should know - the rail line used to be his backyard before Riverbend filled in. Is there even one train per week?

It's picked up... But CPT in this alignment would cross 2 rail lines.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by steveosnyder

It's picked up... But CPT in this alignment would cross 2 rail lines.

Both are very sparsely used rail lines. They are basically the remaining stubs of former rural branch lines to Riverton and Arborg... now they service a couple of grain elevators, along with the metal processors in Selkirk. From what I can tell, they might be used a few times a week at most.... certainly not up there on the priority list for grade separations as compared to the CN and CP lines to the US, which have several trains a day with grade crossings at several major routes.

[CoryB]

Does the distiller in Gimli still receive grain shipment by train? That would seem to match up to the line between Main and McPhillips on the Perimeter and the one running through the north end roughly parallel to McGregor.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by CoryB

Does the distiller in Gimli still receive grain shipment by train? That would seem to match up to the line between Main and McPhillips on the Perimeter and the one running through the north end roughly parallel to McGregor.

When I spent summers up in Winnipeg Beach, the train ran once or twice a week and was usually no more than about 5 cars long (some of which were grain producer cars that had nothing to do with the Diageo distillery) by the time it got that far... I'm sure the distillery still receives shipments by rail, but I doubt the loads are any greater now than they were then.

[mcpish]

Originally Posted by steveosnyder

Parcelo @ Main, Diamond @ Ferrier, McPhillips, and Pipeline, Lighted at grade @ Leila and Dr. Jose Rizel, and at grade crossings of all rail lines. Here's a link to all the info for it -- the main part is section D.

http://www.winnipeg.ca/finance/finda...r_Proposal.pdf

Thanks for the link. Well that's not bad. Much better than what they were saying at that Open House a few months back. Where they were basically saying that Ferrier was going to be an "AT GRADE INTERSECTION". Every resident that I heard from at the Open House seemed to against that and I was hoping that it wasn't the case. So this report is good news.

As for a Parclo at Main and a Diamond at McPhillips, that's reasonable. I just don't know how they are going to have the land to squeeze in a parclo at Main that's why I figured a folded diamond made more sense because it wouldn't interfere with the Kildonan Park Golf Course or that "Chuck's Landscaping" place. As long as they aren't intersections I'm happy. I couldn't believe they used intersections at Henderson and Gateway, that was just dumb. My main worry/concern that I want to fight for is NO intersections at Main or McPhillips. I recently went for a drive down "Stoney Trail" in Calgary. I'm jealous, I'd love a street like that. I even made a dashcam video for that ride.

My Dashvideo of Stoney Trail:

• Video Link


Ideally I'd like Chief Peguis Trail to look something like that :-)

[cllew]

Originally Posted by CoryB

Does the distiller in Gimli still receive grain shipment by train? That would seem to match up to the line between Main and McPhillips on the Perimeter and the one running through the north end roughly parallel to McGregor.

Not sure if they get any grain cars but they get tank cars up at the distillery. They are served by a short line railway called Lake Line Rail that interchanges with CP rail in Selkirk. CP sold the line north of Selkirk to LLRR in 2012.

The line starts behind the Casino on McPhillips and curves up to behind the sewer plant and then sort of runs next to Main St to Selkirk

[North_Regina_Boy]

Originally Posted by mcpish

Thanks for the link. Well that's not bad. Much better than what they were saying at that Open House a few months back. Where they were basically saying that Ferrier was going to be an "AT GRADE INTERSECTION". Every resident that I heard from at the Open House seemed to against that and I was hoping that it wasn't the case. So this report is good news.

As for a Parclo at Main and a Diamond at McPhillips, that's reasonable. I just don't know how they are going to have the land to squeeze in a parclo at Main that's why I figured a folded diamond made more sense because it wouldn't interfere with the Kildonan Park Golf Course or that "Chuck's Landscaping" place. As long as they aren't intersections I'm happy. I couldn't believe they used intersections at Henderson and Gateway, that was just dumb. My main worry/concern that I want to fight for is NO intersections at Main or McPhillips. I recently went for a drive down "Stoney Trail" in Calgary. I'm jealous, I'd love a street like that. I even made a dashcam video for that ride.

My Dashvideo of Stoney Trail:

• Video Link


Ideally I'd like Chief Peguis Trail to look something like that :-)

Love the Video! Great Stuff... And yes it would be nice for Winnipeg to have a road like this!