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Old Posted Feb 24, 2020, 6:41 PM
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Not sure about Ohio, but that map explains why Miami is below Tampa on the list, as West Palm Beach is split off into its own TV market
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2020, 6:44 PM
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Its for TV subscriptions which makes me wonder why some smaller metros have a larger TV audience.

My guess is age of the population. Increasingly a cable subscription is a sign of advanced age.
Hmm interesting take. Still makes me wonder why Houston would be 7th?
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2020, 7:26 PM
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Hmm interesting take. Still makes me wonder why Houston would be 7th?
Houston actually ranks 8th on that list.

What makes you wonder about its ranking?

The only other markets I could see Houston ranking above (that it doesn't, according to that list - see below) might be Philadelphia and D.C.

1 New York
2 Los Angeles
3 Chicago
4 Philadelphia
5 Dallas-Ft. Worth
6 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose
7 Washington, DC
8 Houston
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2020, 7:34 PM
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. Is Cleveland still a major metro since it has 3 major sports teams, while Orlando has just one and Austin and Columbus none?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tistical_areas
Minor correction but Columbus has 2 major sports teams. NHL and MLS. Austin will have MLS in ‘21
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2020, 8:19 PM
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Houston actually ranks 8th on that list.

What makes you wonder about its ranking?

The only other markets I could see Houston ranking above (that it doesn't, according to that list - see below) might be Philadelphia and D.C.

1 New York
2 Los Angeles
3 Chicago
4 Philadelphia
5 Dallas-Ft. Worth
6 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose
7 Washington, DC
8 Houston
Yeah I don't see an issue with Houston 8th. It's not perfect but I think this list makes a lot more intuitive sense than ranking by MSA, especially with SF being in its rightful place in the top 10 (ranked 12th by MSA).
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Minor correction but Columbus has 2 major sports teams. NHL and MLS. Austin will have MLS in ‘21
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2020, 5:23 AM
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Austin has to be one of those exceptions.
Yes, and Green Bay is the classic example of an exception going the other way.
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2020, 3:45 PM
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Small: 500k - 2 million
Jacksonville, Knoxville
Mid: 2 million - 5 million
Minneapolis, Orlando
Large: 5 million - 12 million
Philadelphia, Houston
Mega: 12 million - 30 million
New York, London
Hyper: 30 million <
Shanghai, Tokyo

I guess there should be a designation for 100k - 500k metros like Missoula.
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2020, 4:50 PM
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I guess there should be a designation for 100k - 500k metros like Missoula.
Thats called a town.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2020, 12:45 PM
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I'm going divide it just a little differently. I'm only changing the floor and roof a tiny bit from others on what I personally consider a small metro.


Small Metro- 500k - 1.5m ( Boise, Winnipeg, Buffalo, Raleigh, Ottawa)
Medium Metro- 1.5m - 4m (Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Vancouver, Cleveland, Minneapolis)
Large Metro- 4m-10m (Montreal, Boston, Philly, Toronto, Chicago)
Mega city 10m+ (London, LA,NYC, etc.)

Of course you would have Tokyo, Shanghai, Mexico city etc. in that top end of that mega city category...Maybe a new category like others have put them into.
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Thats called a town.
That would imply that there were no cities on earth 250 years ago.

A town should be used to describe a community in the 1000 to 10,000 range.
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Within the US context, I'd say "large" means it has major league sports, and "mid-size" means it has enough tall buildings to have a visible skyline.

A "small city" has 2 or 3 buildings that poke above the tree line, but not really what you'd call a skyline. A "town" has a recognizable downtown and something like a grid of streets. A "village" is a collection of buildings with a clear center, but no significant surrounding grid of streets.
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Thats called a town.
There is no single definition of a "town" and it varies depending on country and or state. For example, in New York, towns and cities co-exist and the largest town, Hempstead, is twice the size of Buffalo, the second largest city.
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To me, a mid-sized metro is a metro that is large enough to have a sports team, but is not one of the major cities in the US. So, the quintessential example of this would be Cincinnati.

In general, I would say:
Mid-sized metro: 1m - 3m
Mid-sized/Large metro: 3m - 5m (basically Seattle and Detroit)
Large metro: 5m - 10m
Megacity: 10m +
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Old Posted Feb 28, 2020, 12:27 AM
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There is no single definition of a "town" and it varies depending on country and or state. For example, in New York, towns and cities co-exist and the largest town, Hempstead, is twice the size of Buffalo, the second largest city.
Right? Maybe it’s pedantic, but the only thing that differentiates between a town and a city in Massachusetts is the form of government used. Brookline and its 60,000 people and all its Green Line stops and Coolidge Corner stubbornly sticks to a classic New England town meeting style of government. Then you have North Adams: 14,000 people and a full mayor-council city government with districts and the whole works.

I’m pretty sure than answer to the OP is both entirely subjective and relative. After living in East Asia for 20 years and spending decent amounts of time in all the big cities we have out here, pretty much everywhere in America and Canada outside of NYC and select parts of Chicago, Toronto, and SF feel midsized at best. To me. I would not have felt this way 20 years ago.
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There is no single definition of a "town" and it varies depending on country and or state. For example, in New York, towns and cities co-exist and the largest town, Hempstead, is twice the size of Buffalo, the second largest city.
The place I grew up in has 100,000 people and it's still considered a town, with very little to imply it's anything more notable.
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Anything bigger than Reno - big city
Anything smaller than Reno - little city
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Old Posted Feb 29, 2020, 9:35 AM
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Anything bigger than Reno - big city
Anything smaller than Reno - little city
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Right? Maybe it’s pedantic, but the only thing that differentiates between a town and a city in Massachusetts is the form of government used. Brookline and its 60,000 people and all its Green Line stops and Coolidge Corner stubbornly sticks to a classic New England town meeting style of government. Then you have North Adams: 14,000 people and a full mayor-council city government with districts and the whole works.

I’m pretty sure than answer to the OP is both entirely subjective and relative. After living in East Asia for 20 years and spending decent amounts of time in all the big cities we have out here, pretty much everywhere in America and Canada outside of NYC and select parts of Chicago, Toronto, and SF feel midsized at best. To me. I would not have felt this way 20 years ago.
New York felt a little smaller upon my visit to Tokyo. Houston felt like Waco compared to it. There's big cities and then there are big E. Asian cities.
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To me, a mid-sized metro is a metro that is large enough to have a sports team, but is not one of the major cities in the US. So, the quintessential example of this would be Cincinnati.

In general, I would say:
Mid-sized metro: 1m - 3m
Mid-sized/Large metro: 3m - 5m (basically Seattle and Detroit)
Large metro: 5m - 10m
Megacity: 10m +
Detroit CSA is well above 5 million and no that's not even including Windsor.
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