Saskatoon and Regina Air Service - Page 85

casper · #**1681** Posted **Sep 27, 2018, 11:35 AM**

Would not be worried about Allegiant Airlines taking away customers form Regina.

Allegiant has a fairly poor on-time dispatch reputation and safety record in comparison to nearly everyone else. There focus is flying people to and from Casino locations with no connecting passengers. All point to point.

Missinglink · #**1682** Posted **Sep 27, 2018, 11:29 PM**

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New Website online for the Regina International airport...

https://www.yqr.ca

Looks the same as the old useless one.

one_brick_at_a_time · #**1683** Posted **Sep 28, 2018, 2:29 AM**

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Looks the same as the old useless one.

The new one is back online.

The Bess · #**1684** Posted **Oct 1, 2018, 1:44 AM**

Here's an update on some of the work happening around YXE

https://skyxe.ca/en-us/skyxe-updates...ction-projects

one_brick_at_a_time · #**1685** Posted **Oct 1, 2018, 1:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by The Bess

Here's an update on some of the work happening around YXE

https://skyxe.ca/en-us/skyxe-updates...ction-projects

Always seems like Saskatoon’s airport is ahead of YQR on development initiatives. Really like what Saskatoon is implimenting and hoping YQR will follow. Loving the Valet/Canopy section.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...2040-1.4704732

PhotoJim · #**1686** Posted **Oct 1, 2018, 3:51 PM**

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Always seems like Saskatoon’s airport is ahead of YQR on my development initiatives. Really like what Saskatoon is implimenting and hoping YQR will follow. Loving the Valet/Canopy section.[/URL]

Regina made some major renovations several years ago. It's Saskatoon's turn.

SkydivePilot · #**1687** Posted **Oct 1, 2018, 6:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by one_brick_at_a_time

Always seems like Saskatoon’s airport is ahead of YQR on development initiatives. Really like what Saskatoon is implimenting and hoping YQR will follow. Loving the Valet/Canopy section.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...2040-1.4704732

To YQR's credit, there has been extensive development of infrastructure in order to accommodate development on the north side of the airfield. Moreover, the main apron has doubled in size. (In the case of YQR, apron expansion(s) always preceded terminal expansion(s).)

SkydivePilot · #**1688** Posted **Oct 1, 2018, 6:12 PM**

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Does anyone know if any other twin cities (i wouldn't say you'd call Regina and Saskatoon twins) have partnered in one airport?

How awesome would it be if our airport was in say Davidson SK and we could grab the entire provincial population with a central airport. Don't forget Regina and Saskatoon's airport doesn't just grab the cities but a 2+ hr population around it. I'd personally be ok with driving an hr if I could choose from the selection of Destinations Winnipeg has. I also know that a lot of southern Saskatchewan below Regina is now driving a few hrs south to utilize Allegiant Air in Minot ND for their insanely cheap rates and great service.

I'm curious to know if there's any other locations similar to Regina and Saskatoon's issue that have solved their problem by centralizing the location of their airport...

I think that Allegiant Airlines is an exceedingly difficult issue to address here in Saskatchewan when we can't compete because of regulation? I can only see it getting worse, which is ridiculous that Minot, a city the size of Prince Albert - has better prices and selection than Regina to America. It should be the opposite - with our lower dollar Americans should be driving a few hrs north to fly south.

In 2017, Minot ND - population 50,000 served 300,000 patrons - 6 annual trips per patron.
In 2017, Regina SK - population 250,000 served 1,200,000 patrons - 4.8 annual trips per patron.
In 2017, Saskatoon SK- population 270,000 served 1,463,000 patrons - 5.4 annual trips per patron.

*I would also argue that most people in Yorkton and Swift Current (~+40,000) would fly through Regina. And same goes to Saskatoon and the North.
**To make matters more arguable for lower prices, the next closest airport with the same level service from Minot ND is 90 minutes away to the South (Bismarck), 3 hrs to the east (Grand Forks, ND), and 4 hrs to the South East (Fargo, ND). These are all airports with Delta, Allegiant, and United at them. All with a population ~50,000. Astonishing. Is regulation our issue in Canada? I personally love Allegiant over Air Canada.

Twin examples would be:

• Scranton/Wilkes-Barre
• Raleigh-Durham
• Dallas-Fort Worth
• Quad Cities (Davenport, IA)

Back in the late '70s, there was a proposal for a new airport located midway between Regina and Moose Jaw.

SkydivePilot · #**1689** Posted **Oct 1, 2018, 6:17 PM**

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looks like they are finally scrapping the fleet of jets at the YXE. must be getting in the way

Yes, and the aircraft are deteriorating, have been stripped of parts and are sinking into the grass. Those aircraft are making YXE appear like a junkyard. Yes, they need to go.

Hopefully a few will be spared for museum/historical purposes.

esquire · #**1690** Posted **Oct 1, 2018, 6:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by SkydivePilot

Twin examples would be:

• Scranton/Wilkes-Barre
• Raleigh-Durham
• Dallas-Fort Worth
• Quad Cities (Davenport, IA)

I guess there's Minneapolis-St. Paul too.

But all of those places effectively function as one urban area. I think Dallas Fort Worth is the most distant pair, and those two are about 40 km from the heart of one downtown to the other with nothing but city in between them.

SkydivePilot · #**1691** Posted **Oct 1, 2018, 6:22 PM**

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I guess there's Minneapolis-St. Paul too.

But all of those places effectively function as one urban area. I think Dallas Fort Worth is the most distant pair, and those two are about 40 km from the heart of one downtown to the other with nothing but city in between them.

I was thinking KMSP too, lol!

Draftsman · #**1692** Posted **Oct 1, 2018, 11:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by SkydivePilot

Yes, and the aircraft are deteriorating, have been stripped of parts and are sinking into the grass. Those aircraft are making YXE appear like a junkyard. Yes, they need to go.

Hopefully a few will be spared for museum/historical purposes.

Are the airplanes in the attached link the ones you are referring to? They weren't too pretty when the photos were taken in 2013. They must have deteriorated a lot more since then.

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/P...503/story.html

Courtesy of Saskatoon Star-Phoenix.

Temperance · #**1693** Posted **Oct 2, 2018, 12:08 AM**

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Are the airplanes in the attached link the ones you are referring to? They weren't too pretty when the photos were taken in 2013. They must have deteriorated a lot more since then.

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/P...503/story.html

Courtesy of Saskatoon Star-Phoenix.

Perhaps some of them can go to the newly opened Saskatchewan Aviation Museum? https://saskaviation.ca/

kalin_10 · #**1694** Posted **Oct 2, 2018, 4:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by one_brick_at_a_time

Always seems like Saskatoon’s airport is ahead of YQR on development initiatives. Really like what Saskatoon is implimenting and hoping YQR will follow. Loving the Valet/Canopy section.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...2040-1.4704732

I personally feel YXE is striving and working towards a goal of becoming Saskatchewan's "hub" airport. I believe their vision is "spend money to make money." They see these projects as an opportunity not only to hopefully make itvmore attractive to new airlines/destinations; more so, be ready if passenger volumes exceed projections.

I also think that YXE is wanting to provide a "first class/business class" level of service that is unique to the province.

YQR is within my geographical location; however, if I was in an area between both airports, I'd definitely choose YXE.

PhotoJim · #**1695** Posted **Oct 4, 2018, 5:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by kalin_10

YQR is within my geographical location; however, if I was in an area between both airports, I'd definitely choose YXE.

If I were in an area between both airports, I'd choose whichever airport had the better fare and/or schedule, depending on what I preferred. If one were closer, I'd go there. If everything were literally equal, I'm still not sure why I'd prefer YXE to YQR. They're basically interchangeable. The only thing YXE has over YQR right now is a daily YXE-MSP flight.

SkydivePilot · #**1696** Posted **Oct 8, 2018, 3:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Draftsman

Are the airplanes in the attached link the ones you are referring to? They weren't too pretty when the photos were taken in 2013. They must have deteriorated a lot more since then.

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/P...503/story.html

Courtesy of Saskatoon Star-Phoenix.

Yes, those are the aircraft which I am referring. There are/were damn near 30 of them in two clumps, one adjacent to the one hangar, and another on the north side of the airfield.

SkydivePilot · #**1697** Posted **Oct 8, 2018, 3:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by PhotoJim

If I were in an area between both airports, I'd choose whichever airport had the better fare and/or schedule, depending on what I preferred. If one were closer, I'd go there. If everything were literally equal, I'm still not sure why I'd prefer YXE to YQR. They're basically interchangeable. The only thing YXE has over YQR right now is a daily YXE-MSP flight.

Yes. If one was equidistant from both airports, and all things being equal, it would be logical go to the airport which is closer to your destination; ticket prices are based solely on distance.

PhotoJim · #**1698** Posted **Oct 9, 2018, 5:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by SkydivePilot

Yes. If one was equidistant from both airports, and all things being equal, it would be logical go to the airport which is closer to your destination; ticket prices are based solely on distance.

In fact, they aren't. If that were the case, it would cost more to fly to London from Denver or Calgary than from Regina.

Ticket prices are based on fuel cost, aircraft operating costs, airport fees, taxes, and *supply and demand*. Demand is relatively high compared to supply, therefore fares out of Saskatchewan are high in general compared to other airports.

Incidentally, if your point were correct, Regina would be the superior airport to go everywhere except to Edmonton and northern Canada. Regina is closer to every major Canadian city than Saskatoon is, except to Edmonton, and obviously Regina is closer to US airports than Saskatoon is. Distance alone does not explain airfares.

Not to mention: schedules.

Crisis · #**1699** Posted **Oct 9, 2018, 5:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by PhotoJim

Incidentally, if your point were correct, Regina would be the superior airport to go everywhere except to Edmonton and northern Canada. Regina is closer to every major Canadian city than Saskatoon is, except to Edmonton, and obviously Regina is closer to US airports than Saskatoon is. Distance alone does not explain airfares.

Not to mention: schedules.

Actually, Saskatoon is closer to Calgary than is Regina (525 km vs 667 km flying distances). Doesn't change your point on airfares, however.

SkydivePilot · #**1700** Posted **Oct 10, 2018, 12:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by PhotoJim

In fact, they aren't. If that were the case, it would cost more to fly to London from Denver or Calgary than from Regina.

Ticket prices are based on fuel cost, aircraft operating costs, airport fees, taxes, and *supply and demand*. Demand is relatively high compared to supply, therefore fares out of Saskatchewan are high in general compared to other airports.

Incidentally, if your point were correct, Regina would be the superior airport to go everywhere except to Edmonton and northern Canada. Regina is closer to every major Canadian city than Saskatoon is, except to Edmonton, and obviously Regina is closer to US airports than Saskatoon is. Distance alone does not explain airfares.

Not to mention: schedules.

Okay, I will clarify what I had stated earlier. Yes, there will be different fares with regards to types of aircraft; different carriers, etc. My point was this: With all things being equal, the same type of aircraft over any given distance, the longer the distance from any one point of departure, the resultant price is higher. This is abjectly true with CAR Part 703-type operators. (Trust me, for I do this shit every day.

) Larger aircraft with CAR Part 704/705-type [scheduled/non-scheduled] operators' costs per seat mile typically drop with larger aircraft over longer distances, . . and bla, bla, bla . . . )

'703/'704/705 scheduled/non-sked operators may still substitute different types of aircraft for operational reasons.

My point still is: with ALL things being equal ( . . and I'm merely referring to aircraft operation and not fees 'n that), the farther the destination is, the more expensive the ticket will be. If I lived in Davidson, I would depart YQR to fly to YWG. Conversely, I'd depart YXE to fly to YEG. ( . . and so on.)