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Phoenix Business Journal - by Mike Sunnucks
Modified: Tuesday, November 17, 2009

Mesa has approved zoning changes that will clear the way for up to 55 acres of movie, television and recording studios and soundstages to be built near Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport.

During its Monday meeting, the Mesa City Council OK'd rezoning to allow developer Vince Stark and a private investment group to develop the $70 million Gateway Studios off Loop 202 at the northeast corner of Hawes and Germann roads.

Stark said he and private investment partners intend to develop state-of-the-art studios and soundstages that can compete with Hollywood for major studio and independent film work.

The high cost of doing business in California (including taxes, real estate and labor) is leading studios and other production outfits to seek cheaper locations. Phoenix is a quick flight from Los Angeles, though the state faces competition from New Mexico, Nevada, Louisiana and foreign markets ranging from Canada to Eastern Europe for film and other productions.

The Gateway Studios project could create between 250 and 350 direct jobs for technical, creative and production workers.

City documents show the development encompassing as much as 368,000 square feet.
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I know this isn't really the place to discuss it since it is a NoPho issue but what does everyone think of the new temple in NoPho and the debate surrounding it? I am of the opinion that a)the city can't really do much about restricting the height because of Federal law and b)the neighbors should have started their bitching 10 years ago when the church started buying up property in the area and having it rezoned. This is some definite NIMBY bullshit trying to get this issue on a ballot and waste taxpayer dollars.
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I know this isn't really the place to discuss it since it is a NoPho issue but what does everyone think of the new temple in NoPho and the debate surrounding it? I am of the opinion that a)the city can't really do much about restricting the height because of Federal law and b)the neighbors should have started their bitching 10 years ago when the church started buying up property in the area and having it rezoned. This is some definite NIMBY bullshit trying to get this issue on a ballot and waste taxpayer dollars.
I agree on everything you said.

However, I think it is a bit silly that the church feels the need to build a huge spire and light it. They have every right to build the spire that tall (spire's don't count against the height of a church building) but it's just silly excess. I think they should work with the neighbors and keep the spire unlit after maybe 9pm... if they feel they need a spire at all. the rezoning and extra usable height of the building itself is also a bit of bullshit, but it's nothing that hasn't happened before. That property and the immediate area is residential. Always has, always should be. The rezoning to Planned Urban Development (I think that's what they are rezoning to - can't think right now off the top of my head) just sounds like B.S. There's nothing "urban" about the place.

Some of the neighbors are being typical dumbass NIMBYs. Especially when it comes to the traffic problem out there. Someone said that basically there's going to be a traffic jam from the temple all the way down Pinnacle Peak, over the mountain, up 59th Avenue to the Loop 101. It's pretty silly what they come up with in their minds and then fight about. They don't realize how the temple operates, which is in small groups spread throughout the day. It will be a bit of traffic constant throughout the day, not a crush of thousands of cars at once like an arena or stadium. Also, this temple isn't going to have any seasonal events like the Mesa temple (for x-mas or easter or anything).

I'm probably the authority on this subject as I grew up two blocks from the temple, my parents still live there, and I know nearly everyone in the neighborhood, including some of the NIMBYs. AND, let's just say I'm very familiar with the person (*points to self*) that performed the traffic impact study for the City, as hired by the Church representatives. I'm on the inside on both sides of the argument.

One big problem I see that isn't the church nor the neighborhood's fault is that the intersection of 51st Avenue & Pinnacle Peak Road (temple and meeting house is on that corner) needs a traffic signal in it's existing condition. With the extra traffic due to the temple, a signal is warranted there even more. The church would likely be willing to install this signal before opening the temple, however it is basically the City's policy to get a percentage of money from the developer for the traffic signal, then the City will build the signal themselves when they deem it warranted and they have the money for it. I think, as is typical elsewhere, they shouldn't be allowed to open the temple without making the necessary improvements to the roadway to mitigate the forecasted traffic problems (ie, the church should isntall the signal before opening the temple). The City could have and should have forced them to install the signal, probably at closer to 100% cost to the church, instead, the City basically deferred that installation and only is taking 25% of the cost to build the signal (even though 51st/Pinnacle Peak is a 3-way intersection and the other corner is large lot residential). Plus, the City doesn't know when they'll have all the money for it, the temple could be open for a couple years before a traffic signal is installed, and that's not really fair to the neighbors (plus they're going to be really pissed).
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Five Questions with Scott Smith

Mesa Mayor Scott Smith faces a new year filled with challenges. Many of those are a result of result of shrinking tax revenue, and the city during 2009 had to make significant cuts in expenditures.

Smith says there is another challenge he's concerned with-also tied to money-that has "extraordinarily important implications" for the future not just of Mesa, but, he said, of "all the cities in the southeast Valley." That concern has to do with the future of the Arizona State University Polytechnic campus at Williams Field and Power roads in southeast Mesa. Last year, when ASU was in the throes of budget cuts, school President Michael Crow raised the specter of perhaps having to close Polytechnic if budget pressures became too great. In the event, some programs were cut at Polytechnic and some were moved to other campuses.

Question: We understand you are concerned about ASU Polytechnic's future and wonder if you would explain why that campus is so important to Mesa?

Smith: It is important to consider what Polytechnic has meant and what it can mean. What it has meant is that has become the economic center of a planned vast urbanopolis stretching clear down to Pinal County. With Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport and a vibrant university you have a dynamic economic force at the center of the plan.

Q: The airport and the university form the core of this future urbanopolis then?

Smith: Absolutely and without one or the other you just have an airport or a college, but the two combined have the potential to be a very dynamic economic force of high quality jobs. Airports are economic drivers. Look at the impact of Phoenix's Sky Harbor-- it's in the billions. And with Polytechnic having specific educational goals as a growing center of applied science the combination is a great recipe for success.

Q: And your fears about Polytechnic are . . . .?

Smith: Our concern is that with the financial pressures, with budget issues, that if polytechnic (continues to) lose programs it could lose its focus on becoming an independent training center, an independent educational center. If it becomes just a cluster of buildings where classes are held we believe it falls short of fulfilling its potential.

Q: And others share your concerns?

Smith: The mayors in the southeast Valley share this concern as well as the East Valley Partnership and business leaders. We meet with ASU officials regularly and I'm sure I'll meet with Doctor Crow in January. We need a detailed explanation from ASU as to exactly how these changes in programs will affect Polytechnic and better understand how changes in the future can allow polytechnic to reach its full potential.

Q: But Mesa in particular seems to have a very proprietary feeling about Polytechnic.

Smith: We have invested tens of millions of dollars to create the infrastructure to make Polytechnic possible. We built sewers and roads to transform an Air Force base into a vibrant educational center, and sometimes that's forgotten. Not only do we have an interest in Polytechnic's future, but we have a large investment there. The City of Mesa did not invest tens of millions of dollars in Gateway to see Polytechnic fall short.
Good God, just let it be its own school already. Then ASU can raise its quality and costs and be in less financial straights. If it was its own school it could have a President who cared solely about it and was dedicated to raising funds for the school.
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Just want to say, I drove out around the Gateway Airport over the holiday and I was totally surprised at how nice they have made that place. It really looks like Orange Cnty Airport to me. They did a good job with it. I had been to the ASU Poly campus a few times but never made it down to the airport area. Really cool.

Then, like 2 nights later, I was watching Worlds Strictest Parents and the kids were flown in from LA into the Gateway Airport to stay with some family in Gilbert. Pretty cool if you ask me.
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The mayor seems to have forgotten or overlooked Chandler-Gilbert CC's presence at Williams. We have our waiting-list nursing and aircraft maintenance programs out there, telephone linemen and police programs. Nursing has a brand-new, two-story, state-of-the-art facility. We're there to stay. Plus, if ASU departs, we'll get all our two-year general course students back that Crow agreed ASU would never interfere with.

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The people who flowed to Arizona by the millions from frontier days through the postwar rush to urbanize neglected to bring one critical thing with them:

The visionary mind-set that seeded America's older cities and small towns with tree-lined, ivy-draped college and university campuses.

Arizona has only a fraction of the number of four-year colleges found in other states its size, and among America's big cities, Mesa stands out as one of the most barren when it comes to higher education.

That doesn't sit well with Mayor Scott Smith, who is working to lure a major medical school or other college to the nation's 38th-largest city.

"We could put five colleges in here and we wouldn't even begin to match what cities our size in other areas of the country have," Smith said.

He cited Pittsburgh, which boasts a population of slightly more than 300,000 - 160,000 fewer than Mesa - but which is home to prestigious schools such as Carnegie Mellon University, Duquesne University and the University of Pittsburgh, as well as several smaller schools.

Mesa, with about 460,000 people, has one four-year campus, Arizona State University Polytechnic, which was created 15 years ago to relieve overcrowding at the Tempe campus.

Mesa's educational void is hardly unique in Arizona. Communities large and small around the state draw a blank on the four-year college scorecard.

Even Phoenix has only two four-year liberal-arts colleges: an ASU campus and Grand Canyon University. The situation has both deep historical roots and profound implications for Arizona and its future, with statistics showing Arizona students lag behind their peers across the nation in the pursuit of further education.

Wrong end of history

Arizona's lack of higher-education options is largely a matter of timing, according to Luther Spoehr, senior lecturer on education and history at Brown University in Providence, R.I., a city of about 170,000 people that boasts at least six four-year campuses.

"Providence and Rhode Island are part of a larger pattern that is really typical of New England and the Northeast," he said.

America's first wave of college and university development, which began in the 1600s and 1700s, was largely a product of religious denominations that wanted a highly educated clergy. By the 19th century, a big dose of civic boosterism entered the mix.

"There was a strong sense that if you were going to be a real town, you were going to have certain things, and one of those things would be a college," Spoehr said.

Arizona at the time was a blank slate, part of the land that the United States had acquired after the war with Mexico in 1848. "It's not even on the radar screen," Spoehr said.

A second wave of college growth occurred in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, much more secular in nature and fueled by an 1862 federal law that gave states land to establish colleges focusing on practical education.

"The first two waves have pretty much ended by the time Arizona gets started (as a state in 1912)," Spoehr said.

Arizona's "frontier mentality" played a part, too, he said. People who mined and ranched for a living didn't see much need for books.

Marshall Trimble, Arizona's official historian, thinks several other factors contributed to Arizona's college gap.

"When the University of Arizona opened its doors in 1891, there was not a single high school in the whole territory," Trimble said. "I don't think education was a big priority like it was in more settled places."

In modern times, he said, Arizona has had a hard time keeping up with the needs created by its postwar population surge, and he blamed legislatures of the past 40 to 50 years for not getting in front of the issue.

"It just seems like education is not the priority it should be in the Legislature," he said.

Trimble said university politics also may have played a part in limiting the number of campuses in Arizona.

"I'm just wondering if the UofA and ASU have just sort of discouraged this because of the competition," he added.

In the 1950s, Trimble said, UA was so opposed to ASU assuming university status that it took a statewide vote in 1958 to try to prevent that from happening.

"It was resisted fiercely by Pima County," Trimble said. "They just didn't think Arizona should have another university."

Trimble, who teaches Southwest studies at Scottsdale Community College, said even he, at age 70, is affected.

"I sure would like to finish out my career at some small liberal arts college," he said. "You can't do that in Arizona."

Arizona threatened

Regardless of the root causes, Mesa's mayor believes the college gap has real consequences for Arizona's ability to produce the well-educated workforce it needs to attract good jobs and compete on the global stage.

"One of the things that is keeping this state back is we have a disproportionate amount of our high-school graduates who are not moving on to higher education," Smith said.

The most recent federal statistics show Arizona is last among states, with only 45 percent of high-school graduates in 2006 going on to college.

With only 39 percent of Arizona graduates attending college in their home state, Arizona ranks near the bottom in that category, too. And when people go to college out of state, they are 30 percent less likely than in-state college students to work in their home states as adults, according to research by Illinois State University.

"This results in a brain drain of high-skilled citizens," the study said.

Smith said Arizona's gargantuan state universities - ASU with 68,000 students and UA with 36,000 - intimidate many young people. But Arizona's high-school grads don't have many other options.

The Republic counted eight residential four-year campuses in the entire state, including the four operated by ASU and excluding religious seminaries.

Iowa, whose 3 million people are just half of Arizona's population, has at least 29.

Looking to diversify

It's not that Mesa is completely lacking when it comes to post-secondary schooling.

ASU Poly has about 10,000 students. Mesa Community College educates more than 20,000 students on several campuses. A.T. Still University is growing in size and prestige as a medical and dental school in the city's southeastern corner. And Northern Arizona University offers several degree programs at a small downtown campus.

But Smith wants more.

"There are students out there that may need something different," he said. "And maybe having these smaller, different approaches, which we know exist all over the country - we need more of those."

Mesa hopes to use city-owned land to lure high-end educational institutions to the downtown area. The council has approved two feasibility studies to determine whether there is a market for higher education downtown.

One $25,000 study will examine a 30-acre site near an abandoned World War II-era public-housing project at Mesa and University drives that the city wants to redevelop.

Bill Jabjiniak, Mesa's economic-development director, said at least one medical school, which he wouldn't identify, has shown interest in the site.

The other study, for $45,000, will look at the broader issue of locating a campus in the square-mile downtown.

BYU-Idaho foothold

City Manager Chris Brady said he talked with officials at Brigham Young University-Idaho in Rexburg about expanding to Mesa. That effort is off to a small-scale beginning.

The university, operated by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, has established a pilot program in an existing church-owned Institute of Religion building in east Mesa.

Andy Cargal, BYU-Idaho spokesman, said seven students enrolled in the first semester.

"The premise behind it is to provide students who maybe otherwise wouldn't go to college or would have a difficult time going to college because of financial circumstances . . . to still get some skills or work toward getting a full degree if they want one," Cargal said.

The program is still experimental, and BYU-Idaho has no plans to build a campus in Mesa, Cargal said.

Although that's not the kind of iconic campus Smith has talked about, he's willing to accept all comers.

Brady agreed with Smith that Arizona's future is cloudy without further efforts to develop its higher education and build a more diversified economy that doesn't depend on the vicissitudes of growth. "If there was ever a time to retool our labor force with education, this is it," Brady said. "The future of Arizona's economy can't be based on construction. It's nice to have, but that's not our core element. ... We've got to build that sustainable labor pool out there."
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Arizona education snapshot

Population 25 and older with college degrees
National: 27.7%
Arizona: 25.1%
Rank: 32nd place
High-school graduates attending college
National: 62%
Arizona: 45%
Rank: Last place
High-school graduates attending college in home state
National: 50.1%
Arizona: 39.1%
Rank: 41st place
Sources: U.S. Census Bureau; U.S. Department of Education statistics from 2006, the latest available
A broad push for expanding higher education in Arizona

While Mesa leaders have been vocal about their desire for more college campuses, other Arizonans also are looking at ways to expand the state's higher-education portfolio.
State Rep. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills, advocates building eight state colleges around Arizona instead of continually expanding its existing universities.
The colleges would focus on teaching while universities would continue their growing emphasis on research, Kavanagh said.
"For the person who just wants to open a business, a state college degree would be just fine," he said. "California has that system, and it's very successful."

In the West Valley, Goodyear has created a task force to look at how to establish an Arizona State University campus.

ASU has said it wants to start a campus there by 2011, with Goodyear footing the bill.
Temporary facilities could cost $3 million to $5 million, with permanent facilities running $35 million to $50 million.

Goodyear Mayor Jim Cavanaugh has said he is looking into whether private money can help with the ASU effort.
Also in Goodyear, Franklin Pierce University, a New Hampshire-based liberal-arts school, is teaching classes and has a 99-year lease on land near Estrella Parkway and Yuma Road, where the city wants to concentrate its campuses.
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Wait, we need a college degree to open a business in AZ? I better let most of the business owners I know that they are going against the law.

While I dont normally agree with Cavanaugh, I like the premise of the idea ... I just don't like building more state schools. I'd rather see private universities coming in and competing. This state needs more liberal arts education.
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Wait, we need a college degree to open a business in AZ? I better let most of the business owners I know that they are going against the law.

While I dont normally agree with Cavanaugh, I like the premise of the idea ... I just don't like building more state schools. I'd rather see private universities coming in and competing. This state needs more liberal arts education.
I definitely agree that we need private institutions here in PHX. We need some wealthy old money residents to take the initiative. It seems that currently they do the easy thing and donate to ASU or UofA towards the creation of a school/name on a building.

I don't know if we have the population with the means ($) and/or loyalty here. Almost every I know, (including myself) have loyalties to other parts of the country. Just drive around town and read bumper stickers, t-shirts, sports jerseys etc...
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Wait, we need a college degree to open a business in AZ? I better let most of the business owners I know that they are going against the law.

While I dont normally agree with Cavanaugh, I like the premise of the idea ... I just don't like building more state schools. I'd rather see private universities coming in and competing. This state needs more liberal arts education.
Beggars can't be choosers an right now we're definitely beggars. If you read the 1st article it talks about Mesa trying to lure BYU or other private schools and the side panel talks about Goodyear and Franklin Pierce, so its not 100% a public schools thing. You can certainly have small liberal arts schools that are public as well.
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I went on a road trip to Globe yesterday and on the way back we drove through Gateway Airport and Agritopia, etc.

Does anyone know what the housing is used for on the old Williams Air Force Base? There is some pretty low dollar looking housing, which I assumed was student housing for ASU East, but there was an overwhelming number of children and apparently families.

any ideas?
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I went on a road trip to Globe yesterday and on the way back we drove through Gateway Airport and Agritopia, etc.

Does anyone know what the housing is used for on the old Williams Air Force Base? There is some pretty low dollar looking housing, which I assumed was student housing for ASU East, but there was an overwhelming number of children and apparently families.

any ideas?
When we shot "The Kingdom" out there we used a ton of those houses for the various departments. The prop dept (which I was in) filled an entire house with machine guns and other crap. Each dept. had its own house practically and we shot in a few of the houses.

The other houses were either empty, student housing or just super cheap rentals.
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The Mesa City Council is expected to approve a memorandum of understanding with the Chicago Cubs on Monday that lays out the framework for construction of a new spring-training complex that would cost at least $84 million in public financing but would keep the team in Mesa.

Mesa City Manager Chris Brady said he expects the Cubs to announce a decision on whether Mesa or Naples, Fla., will receive exclusive negotiating rights shortly after the council vote.


The deal would have to be approved by Mesa voters, and the state Legislature would have to approve the funding mechanism.

The complex would be publicly owned. Under the agreement, the Cubs would buy about 100 acres and deed it to the city. The Cubs would be responsible for operating and maintaining the facility and also would pay any costs exceeding the $84 million cap.

The memorandum also gives the Cubs authority to sell naming rights but bars the names of tobacco companies, other cities and any sexually suggestive terms.

"The Cubs are interested in reading through Mesa's proposal and having our board take it under review," Cubs spokesman Peter Chase said in an e-mail to The Republic.

But sources in both Mesa and Chicago indicated that Mesa would likely be given the first crack at retaining the Cubs, who have been courted by Naples, Fla. The team would likely turn to Naples if the Arizona Legislature is unable to arrange funding or if Mesa voters fail to approve the project.

The Cubs are the Cactus League's meal ticket, leading the league in attendance and packing stadiums throughout the Valley and state. A study found the team is worth at least $52 million a year in tourism revenue and supports 650 jobs.

A specific site has not been announced, but the Cubs showed interest in several sites in east Mesa, Brady said.

"They have expressed an interest in not only operating the facility, but they want to be in position where they control the surrounding area," he said.

The Cubs would develop Wrigleyville West, hotels, restaurants and other tourism-related businesses that also would help Mesa maximize spring-training revenue, Brady said.

"You kind of land in Wrigleyville and everything around it is the Cubs,'" he said. "It gets us out of the business of managing a stadium."

Mesa's proposal to the Cubs features three elements:

• A new stadium that would seat up to 15,000 fans.

• A new state-of-the art training facility that would be used year-round by the team. It would include medical facilities for rehabilitation of injured players.

• A fourplex of baseball diamonds that would be used by the Cubs from February through April and for high-school and Little League baseball other times of the year.

If the Cubs pick Mesa, Brady expects a financing bill would be introduced in the Legislature a week or so later. Measures under consideration include a surcharge on all Cactus League tickets or an increase in rental-car taxes.

The state would not tap into general-fund revenue to pay for the facility.

Mesa also would kick in funds used to build the diamonds used by the Cubs and for public purposes.

The memorandum stipulates that Mesa and Arizona must meet a series of "milestones" in order to retain exclusive bargaining rights with the team.

The deadlines include:

• Feb. 1: City Council must approve memorandum of understanding.

• Feb. 25: Enabling legislation must be introduced.

• July 12: City Council must approve binding development agreement, and enabling legislation must be passed.

• November: Mesa voters must approve the project.

• Jan. 30, 2011: Architect and contractor must be selected and approved by all parties.

• Six months after site is chosen, Mesa must have approved zoning and other entitlements.

• Ongoing: Mesa must provide funds and permits as dictated by the project's timetable.

• Dec. 31, 2012: Cubs must have signed a deal to build the stadium. If they haven't, the city will offer the Cubs a choice of two city-owned sites. If the Cubs don't pick one within a month, the agreement will terminate.

In that case, the Cubs would play at Hohokam Stadium either through 2014 or, if they left after the 2013 season, they would pay Mesa a $1 million penalty.

The proposal is designed to keep the Cubs in the new facilities for at least 25 years. The Cubs could opt out after 20 seasons if they paid the city a financial penalty. The deal provides for two five-year extensions.
Well hopefully Mesa will do this right and smartly integrate the new stadium into the growing Gateway area. That way if ASU Poly is ever spun off into its own institution the facility could perhaps be used by them when the Cubs aren't around.

HoHoKam is still a terrific facility though and with some upgrades to the practice facility could certainly still be used. I hope it doesn't just rot like that old park in Chandler did. Its got a good, more centralized location and the last thing Central Mesa needs is a rotting park in the middle of town. Hopefully they can get the Cardinals, Twins or Astros to move out here and take HoHoKam. The Cardinals would be best, having them and the Cubs (which is the best rivalry in the NL) would be terrific for Mesa.
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Does anyone else have any more info on this new POOL project?
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bel...set_t.php#more

Basically it is a wanna-be Pikes Place in Mesa. An old Mervyns turned into what will probably end up being a swap-meet like everything else in Mesa.
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http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bel...set_t.php#more

Basically it is a wanna-be Pikes Place in Mesa. An old Mervyns turned into what will probably end up being a swap-meet like everything else in Mesa.
Hm I hadn't heard about it, but I hope it does well. The Valley has these empty box stores strewn everywhere, so Ill always root for creative re-uses like this. Unfortunately I think it would do better in Downtown Mesa but there aren't any spaces like this available there, but really this isn't too far from Downtown Mesa.

I wonder what they all the excess parking, its not very charming or farmers markety feeling to me. Now if Mesa was really smart (they're not) they'd have their next leg of the LRT go all the way to Stapley instead of just Mesa Dr to try to create a synergy with this market and the excess parking could be used for a Park & Ride.

EDIT: Also in EV news:

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Surcharges on car rentals, spring training tickets to help fund new Cubs' stadium in Mesa
Feb. 5, 2010 02:08 PM
Associated Press
Legislation to keep the Chicago Cubs' spring training home in Arizona is taking shape, with state-arranged financing to come from surcharges on auto rentals and spring training game tickets.

Republican Rep. John McComish of Phoenix said Friday he will introduce an initial version of the legislation on Monday.


McComish said some details of the plan remain in the works, including the surcharge amounts and the possibility of other revenue sources.

As outlined by McComish and Mesa Mayor Scott Smith, the state would arrange $56 million of the new stadium's projected $84 million cost. Mesa would provide the remaining $28 million.

The Cubs' costs would include purchasing the stadium site from Mesa.
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Legislation to keep the Chicago Cubs' spring training home in Arizona is taking shape, with state-arranged financing to come from surcharges on auto rentals and spring training game tickets
Wait, the state taxing all spring training games to pay for a stadium for 1 team in Mesa? Has this been the norm for other spring training stadiums? It seems a bit odd to me to tax other teams/games to pay for a completely separate team. Shouldn't the city of Mesa and the cactus league be figuring this out on their own without intervention from the state of Arizona? Doesn't the cactus league have the ability to raise a surcharge on themselves if the majority of teams want it without state intervention?
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^Mesa (and all the older stadiums) were paying to help construct the newer stadiums all this time. Just like how taxes on people in Central Phoenix pay for sprawl north of Happy Valley Rd.

In other Mesa news, I emailed Mayor Scott Smith a while back encouraging him to try to get Mesas light rail extension not to stop at Mesa Dr but rather to at least go as far East as Stapley to help create a connection with that farmers market there in the old Mervyns, here's the encouraging response I received:

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On behalf of Mayor Smith, I would like to thank you for taking the time to share your ideas with Mayor Smith. The Mayor has read your email and asked me to respond.

The current funding for the light rail extension project takes the line to Mesa Drive. Currently, the Mayor and other city leaders are working to extend the line all the way to Gilbert Road. Currently there is no funding in place for the Mesa to Gilbert Rd phase of the project. Along with the reasons that you mentioned, the Mayor realizes the importance of extending the line past Mesa drive because Gilbert Rd has been the psychological boundary between east and west Mesa. Making this connection is an important step in increasing ridership, opening up east Mesa to people who wouldn’t normally go there, and taking advantage of the important N/S connectivity that Gilbert Rd provides. The City of Mesa will continue to work on funding strategies to make the extension to Gilbert Rd a reality.

Again, thank you for your email. The Mayor truly values your opinion and appreciates your time to share your thoughts with him. Please let me know if you have any other questions or concerns.

Sincerely,

Kathy Macdonald
Chief of Staff
Office of the Mayor
So thats good, at least they've got the right idea, hopefully they can execute it.
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^Mesa (and all the older stadiums) were paying to help construct the newer stadiums all this time. Just like how taxes on people in Central Phoenix pay for sprawl north of Happy Valley Rd.
Not really how it works. The Maricopa Cnty Stadium Authority gets its money from hotel and rental car taxes. That's it. We built Camelback, Goodyear, Peoria, Maryvale, and Surprise using money from that. From tourists who come here year-round. The MCSA also paid for the renovations to Hohokam a few years ago. The fact that the Cubs will hold the city (and the league) hostage after getting million in renovations is really despicable. It is almost as bad as what the WhiteSox and Dbacks did to Tucson.

I don't have an issue with us developing the Gateway area but asking for a tax on other teams to pay for a stadium that will benefit the cubs is outrageous. I mean, someone just bought them for $1 billion! I think they have the money.
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