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^It's just petty anti-Trump rhetoric. Jared Kushner, whose firm is funding 9 DeKalb, is married to Ivanka Trump, The Don's lovely daughter. Would ya look at that; another Trump-affiliated project underway, creating jobs and improving the city. Cheers to those who make..and a big middle-finger to those who take.
The Kushner family is much wealthier than the Trump family; they're just under the radar. They're also far more influential developers.

In any case, I seriously doubt that Jared Kushner is Republican, given that he and his family has given megabucks for progressive causes. He just happens to be married to one of Trump's daughters, and obviously they have to be polite to their father.
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The Kushner family is much wealthier than the Trump family; they're just under the radar. They're also far more influential developers.

In any case, I seriously doubt that Jared Kushner is Republican, given that he and his family has given megabucks for progressive causes. He just happens to be married to one of Trump's daughters, and obviously they have to be polite to their father.
Why am I reading these things? If you want to only look at buildings built by or financed by or occupied by "true believers" of whatever your cause, be prepared to give up the skyline altogether and live in a cave.
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Why am I reading these things? If you want to only look at buildings built by or financed by or occupied by "true believers" of whatever your cause, be prepared to give up the skyline altogether and live in a cave.
Agreed with everything you wrote.

Not sure how it's related to what I wrote, though, as I never implied such things. All I wrote it that this financing isn't related to Trump, and the Kushner family is only linked to Trump through marriage.
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it just so happened that we had lunch with ivanka trump and jared kushner a few years ago - no art of the deal, just randomly by way of the 4 of us being the only patrons in the place for an hour or so. these things happen. she could not have come across as a sweeter, nicer person. him too. makes you wonder how she could be trump's kid.

anyway, bravo to kushner & company for building this iconic tower for downtown bklyn.
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it just so happened that we had lunch with ivanka trump and jared kushner a few years ago - no art of the deal, just randomly by way of the 4 of us being the only patrons in the place for an hour or so. these things happen. she could not have come across as a sweeter, nicer person. him too. makes you wonder how she could be trump's kid.

anyway, bravo to kushner & company for building this iconic tower for downtown bklyn.
Well there was that one quote of Trump's about not wanting anything to do with raising the kids but he'd just give them money... so maybe that explains it?
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^Or the other thing about how the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Let's just agree to disagree.
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One last time folks. That discussion has NOTHING to do with this tower. Let's stay on topic.
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Weren't we calling this building 340 Flatbush ? . .
and now we're calling it 9 DeKalb mostly ? . .
I love the ring of DeKalb . . as opposed to Flatbush . .
This beautiful building is so tall, . .
could it possibly enhance Manhattan's downtown skyline . .
from some viewpoints perhaps ? . .
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All that's missing from this tower is a giant fire eye at the top. The Eye of Bloomberg Tower.

Which keeps a tight watch on NIMBYS.



This tower is like NYC's version of the Sauron Tower.

It just needs the eye! And more COWBELL!



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Weren't we calling this building 340 Flatbush ? . .
and now we're calling it 9 DeKalb mostly ? . .
I love the ring of DeKalb . . as opposed to Flatbush . .
DeKalb sounds like some sort of Middle Eastern food that you get from a food truck.

"Ah yes, I'd like some Dekalb with a side of hot and spicey rice. "

" Thats $4 sir. "

" 4$. "

" 4$$$!!!! "

" fou dolla ma ass. "
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Weren't we calling this building 340 Flatbush ? . .
and now we're calling it 9 DeKalb mostly ? . .

9 Dekalb is the name (address) of the landmark Dime Savings bank builing. There was a lot merger.
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thanks NYguy for the clarity . .

regarding :
"DeKalb sounds like some sort of Middle Eastern food" - Chris . .

Nevertheless ! . .
Tabouleh, Falafel, Hummus, Baklava, . . even baba ghanoush . .
sounds more upscale & elegant than "Flatbush" . .
Flatbush sounds, kinda like . . well . . how you say in english ? . .
and please forgive my political incorrectness here . .

. . like the appearance of a trailerpark yard . .
after the neighbor's delinquent kids . .
inadvertently lost control of their rusted 1940s schoolbus . .
and backed it up over Bubba & Florabelle Snots's shubbery . .
I just don't know how else to put it . .
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"FLATBUSH" = mangled shRubbery
opposite of elegant soaring deco tower
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Sounding good. They really do love to pair a modern building with a landmark.
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Stern looks like he would make a good villain...



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With a softening market and two of NYC’s tallest residential towers in the works, the developer is taking riskier bets






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Like Manhattan’s jagged skyline, the history of its real estate industry is shaped by steep rises and swift falls. There is William Zeckendorf, who rose from small-time broker to seminal developer of the 1950s and 1960s only to die bankrupt. Decades later, Harry Macklowe rose from college dropout to real estate mogul, lost it all in the 2007 downturn and landed back on his feet in the years after.

The latest developer to climb the industry’s peak at breakneck speed is Michael Stern, the 36-year-old head of JDS Development Group.

Stern began building his first low-rise properties in the outer boroughs just 16 years ago. Now he is co-developing the tallest building in the Western Hemisphere at 111 West 57th Street and the tallest building on the East Coast outside of Manhattan at 9 DeKalb Avenue in Brooklyn — as well as three other New York high-rises.

When you tally in the buildings JDS and its partners have already completed — such as Walker Tower in Chelsea and Stella Tower in Hell’s Kitchen — you’d be hard-pressed to find many other developers leaving a bigger mark on the city’s skyline in today’s market.

But JDS isn’t just building more than its peers, it is also taking on more risk at a time when the luxury residential market is showing signs of slowing and lending volume is contracting.

A fellow high-rise developer, speaking on condition of anonymity, said he “doesn’t understand the economics” behind 111 West 57th, which JDS is co-developing with Property Markets Group on Billionaire’s Row, the nexus of the luxury condo boom.

The two projects that will make or break JDS’s standing as one of New York’s great development firms are its tallest and boldest. But a look at the cost structures of the projects shows how thin the line between success and failure may be.


The Steinway Gamble

When PMG founder Kevin Maloney told Bloomberg in April that 111 West 57th would hold off on marketing condos for at least a year, due to slowing demand, he seemed to prove all the project’s doubters right.
The tower will include 60 condos with asking prices averaging $5,700 per square foot, according to an offering plan.

But despite slowing demand for high-priced units and increased competition at the top of the market, JDS and its partners remain optimistic that the development will succeed, according to sources involved in the project’s financing.

That’s partly because the tower is not scheduled to be complete until early 2018 and the developers’ construction loans don’t mature until mid-2019, meaning they can wait for the luxury market to recover. And even if it doesn’t, JDS and PMG are betting that a comparatively low cost basis will protect them financially.

“I think they, and we, still feel very comfortable with the basis,” Scott Weiner, head of Apollo Global Management’s commercial real estate debt business and a mezzanine lender on the project, told analysts during a February earnings call. “I can’t speak to their strategy in terms of how they want to approach presales, but they don’t have to sell anything right now.”

The developers estimate the glass-and-steel tower will cost between $2,300 and $2,500 per square foot to build, while the project’s break-even is only a little higher than that, around $2,800, according to sources in the know. That gives JDS and PMG a nice cushion against a possible market downturn.

By comparison, Extell’s condo tower One57, which is nearly sold out, and CIM Group and Harry Macklowe’s 432 Park Avenue, which is selling now, reportedly cost well above $3,000 per square foot to build. Meanwhile Vornado Realty Trust’s 220 Central Park South is expected to cost a staggering $5,000 per square foot.

Aaron Appel, a broker at commercial firm JLL who arranged financing for 111 West 57th, said the comparatively low price the developers paid for the land cannot be overlooked.

JDS and PMG assembled the project by buying a development site as well as the operating lease on the neighboring, landmarked Steinway Building and going through a complicated landmarks approval process. The co-developers paid $131.5 million for the site, or around $400 per buildable square foot, according to property records.


Brooklyn’s tallest

Across the East River in Brooklyn, JDS and the Chetrit Group are working on a similarly ambitious project: the 1,066-foot-tall mixed-use tower at 9 DeKalb that would shatter the borough’s height record by around 400 feet. The project won landmarks approval in April.

Here, too, Stern managed to assemble the site on the cheap.

In June 2014, he and Chetrit bought the development site at 340 Flatbush Avenue for $43.5 million. Then in December 2014, the adjacent, landmarked Dime Savings Bank hit the market along with 285,000 square feet of air rights.

JDS and Chetrit were in the best position to buy the bank site “because no one else could use the air rights,” Ofer Cohen, founder of Brooklyn-based investment sales brokerage TerraCRG, told TRD. The developers paid $90 million for the building and filed plans for a 556,000-square-foot tower. The two deals put the developers’ cost basis at roughly $240 per gross buildable square foot — versus the much higher $350 to $400 per buildable square foot that sites in the area often trade for, according to data from TerraCRG.

“Their basis is really attractive and enables them to do either rental or condo,” Cohen said, adding that the retail space in the historic Dime Savings Bank will likely provide another major revenue source.

...The developers funded their acquisition and pre-development costs of 9 DeKalb with a $115 million loan from Fortress Credit, a subsidiary of the private equity firm Fortress Investment Group. Though the terms of the debt were not disclosed, Fortress has a reputation as a hard money lender with a strong appetite for risk. The firm subsequently sold a portion of the loan to Kushner Companies for $57.5 million, making company head and fellow real estate wunderkind Jared Kushner one of Stern’s lenders.

...JDS and Chetrit aren’t yet in the market for a construction loan, according to sources, but they will need to secure one to replace the financing from Fortress.

JLL’s Appel said he’s not worried about Stern landing a construction loan for the project. “Look, any large construction loan right now is challenging,” he said. “But I don’t see him having any more challenging of a time that any other developer.”
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Will Brooklyn Finally Get a World-Class Skyline?






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New York grew by dint of ugly architecture. Every celebrated skyscraper rose amid bundles of mid-rise mediocrity. Each masterpiece-producing boom also threw off acres of stupefying repetition. So it's hardly shocking that a decade of high-rise construction in Brooklyn has brought forth a parade of buildings that an iPhone app could spit out. The ax blade of residential high-rises that slices the borough drives from Brooklyn Bridge Park through Downtown, grazing Fort Greene and reaching into Prospect Heights. Canyons of cheap window walls and protuberant air conditioners rise along Flatbush Avenue. Call it the Brooklyn Wedge, a nowhere that's convenient to everywhere. It's hard to fathom how sentient beings could have devoted so much time, money, and enthusiasm to producing such drear. Well, not that hard: Everyone follows the path of least resistance and then moves on to the next job. The result is an orgy of indifference.

When a newcomer does sport a dash of design, it only accentuates the sadness. Consider Brooklyn’s temporary tallest, 100 Willoughby Street, a.k.a. AVA DoBro, which SLCE Architects “designed” for AvalonBay. The architects speckled the façade of this monolithic mass in an assortment of blue panes, so that it looks as though the builders had raided an odd-lot store. Blue-glass patchwork has become a mystifying New York trend. Bernard Tschumi started it a decade ago with his bulbous Blue condo on the Lower East Side. Christian de Portzamparc followed up with his gaudy 57th Street supertall, One57. Here, it looks like a cheap knockoff of a bad idea.

These new multitudes may yet bring redemption to the Brooklyn skyline, even if it’s slow, fitful, and incomplete. They will demand new restaurants, supermarkets, bookstores, and schools — and they’ll have to keep demanding for a while. Retail lags; public services lag even further. Eventually, though, when the construction fences go away, the streets will start to knit themselves together.....

None of these charms will placate Brooklynites who fear that giants are trampling the borough’s icons. When 9 DeKalb opens, its thin-air penthouses will look out over a four-to-eight-story metropolis stretching from Newtown Creek to Coney Island. So what is to prevent one superscaled building from leading to the next, until they invade the leafy brownstone shires? Plenty, for now: zoning regulations, the distribution of subway lines, the existence of historic districts, and the power of money to fight money. These barriers can leak and crumble, though, and so the best way to preserve low-rise Brooklyn is for the Wedge to succeed by growing up rather than out. A great skyline remains concentrated and confined, its towers made meaningful by borders, its scale a contrast to be savored, not feared.
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Brooklyn has a better skyline than many world class cities which have skylines...


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9 Dekalb will indeed be a signature tower for the borough and city as a whole. Think about it, it'll be the tallest building outside of Manhattan on the entire east coast. That's a big deal for our humble "little" borough I truly can't wait to watch this rise. It'll be a true gem. Brooklyn will officially be in the skyline battle after this haha (We'll win because Manhattan is in our back yard, 3 dynamic skylines in 1 city!)




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Agreed! I love the geography of our city more than ever (especially after this new boom is over) imagine this photo after Pacific Park and 9 Dekalb is complete: (this photo was taken in 2006 and is from the vantage point of Manhattan)


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