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Old Posted Dec 25, 2008, 6:58 PM
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I think people are just haters. Go CCTV! Build it in Chicago or NY and it's automatically a masterpiece.
Actually, most people from Chicago would probably decry that if it was even suggested for Chicago. If you notice the things we like are less radical and more practical. Chicago Spire is about as futuristic and sculptural as we'll go, even that building has been complained about many times by Chicago's pragmatists. So, no, thats a ridiculous statement.
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^ Well, I have to say, I disagree 100% with the direction of your statement. Radical architecture is great and I think it would be welcomed here if it were built more often. I'm surprised to hear you repeat that sad story that has been foisted on us mostly by the condescending coastal critics.

I do agree that pragmatic architecture is a virtue, and that this virtue is respected, even worshiped (less so today) in Chicago. Do radicalism and pragmatism have to be polar opposites? Of course not.

However, good architecture - and I will maintain that all good architecture fits this mold, regardless of locale - makes sense. Koolhaas's little masturbatory exercises would be ugly to me universally because they are 99% post-rationalization or solutions to invented problems.

Furthermore, I just find his sense of aesthetics, if you can call it that, horrid.

Last the rest of the components that make good architecture (craftsmanship, detailing, sensitivity to surroundings, etc.) just aren't there.
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Old Posted Dec 25, 2008, 8:06 PM
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Ch.G, thank you for doing this investigation work and for posting it here. I have to say, my opinion of the school has reversed almost diametrically since the wizard has stepped out from behind the curtain. Thank you.

Good design is of critical importance, but I have my limits.

Also, without knowing a lot about the building, I'd say that my impression (after seeing the model you posted) leans toward yours. One thing that drives me crazy are designs where one element, or a small portion of the elements, gets all the attention, while the rest flounders.
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^ Yeah, I've been trying to temper my initial reaction to projects like Himmelb(l)au's. Carefully angled photographs tell you very little. A lot of times, especially with this kind of architecture, the big picture is pretty damning.

I mean, how on earth do you justify spending in excess of $200 million in a bankrupt school system on one "neighborhood" campus that serves under two thousand students? How many more schools could have been built and how much more innovative design could have emerged at a fraction of the cost?

Also, don't make me pull out the old-timey photos of Mies' LSD apartments, Marina City, the Prudential Building or even the Monadnock, Nowhereman. Pictures of the early days of those very practical buildings underscore honte's point about radicalism and pragmatism perfectly.

Maybe you meant rationalism? As in, rational vs. sculptural or flamboyant? That would make much more sense.
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Old Posted Dec 26, 2008, 5:33 AM
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^ Well, I have to say, I disagree 100% with the direction of your statement. Radical architecture is great and I think it would be welcomed here if it were built more often. I'm surprised to hear you repeat that sad story that has been foisted on us mostly by the condescending coastal critics.

I do agree that pragmatic architecture is a virtue, and that this virtue is respected, even worshiped (less so today) in Chicago. Do radicalism and pragmatism have to be polar opposites? Of course not.
When I say radical, I mean sculptural crap that passes as "architecture" today. I don't mean buildings that have new ideas behind them. Chicago is plenty accepting "radical architecture" if it means new ideas, but not when it means new ideas with absolutely no reasonable use. For example, the CCTV building is really only radical in the fact that it is a ridiculous shape that requires wayyyy to much expense to build for virtually no practical benefit. So I guess when I was saying radical before I meant exhibitionist. People just putting on a show because it looks cool and not because there is any intent or plan behind it. That has been decried through a lot of our history (even bouts of revivalism have been panned by many in the city even when they were popular a la burnham's white city).
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The Skyscraper Of The Future - Symbiotic Interlock - CHICAGO ILLINOIS


Oh My Gosh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had a feeling that someone was going to post that in time.

If this is what you people think is great architecture then you are sadly mistaken.
WHO in the world would want to see this meaningless insult to architecture in chicago!??!!? There would be no point at all to build this it would just totally destroy the city.
Maybe in dubai NOT in chicago! Not in any other city!
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Its refreshing and amazing that LA is doing something so grand for public education....

Im not always a modern architecture fan, but I would much rather see a grand attempt than a mediocre one...
THE ARCHITECT OF SYMBIOTIC INTERLOCK IS DAEKWON PARK
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Old Posted Dec 26, 2008, 4:23 PM
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^ I think you guys are getting a bit too excited about a conceptual exercise. I doubt this is a serious proposal, even by the designer. Maybe I am wrong. I don't know who Mr. Park is - is this a school exercise?

The graphics are pretty darn impressive though.

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When I say radical, I mean sculptural crap that passes as "architecture" today. I don't mean buildings that have new ideas behind them. Chicago is plenty accepting "radical architecture" if it means new ideas, but not when it means new ideas with absolutely no reasonable use. For example, the CCTV building is really only radical in the fact that it is a ridiculous shape that requires wayyyy to much expense to build for virtually no practical benefit. So I guess when I was saying radical before I meant exhibitionist. People just putting on a show because it looks cool and not because there is any intent or plan behind it. That has been decried through a lot of our history (even bouts of revivalism have been panned by many in the city even when they were popular a la burnham's white city).

OK, I understand and agree.
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Guangzhou Baiyun International Convention Center / BURO II + CITIC
Architects: BURO II & Design Institute of China CITIC
Location: Guangzhou, China

Structural Design : Laurent Ney & Partners (Belgium)
Landscape Design: Stefaan Thiers en Denis Dujardin (Belgium)
Facade Engineering: Van Santen & Ass. (France)
Interior Design: Lens°Ass (Belgium)
Project Year: 2007
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^ Peter Eisenman is going to be fucking pissed...

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Old Posted Dec 28, 2008, 9:26 PM
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Architects: Morrison Seifert Murphy
Location: Dallas, Texas, USA

Architect in Charge: Lionel Morrison, FAIA
Project year: 2007
Constructed Area: 250 sqm
Engineering: David Bowick, Blackwell Engineering
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is this the right thread for a renovated heritage building? looks pretty good to me...

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H&M Store in Barcelona / Estudio Mariscal
Client: H&M
Architecture, interiors and graphic design: Estudio Mariscal

Location: c/ Portal de l’Àngel 22, Barcelona, Spain
Area: 1.720 m2
Year: 2008
Contractor: Dula Bau
Furniture and commercial equipment: Dula Ibérica
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Old Posted Dec 28, 2008, 11:33 PM
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That store is friggin insane!!!!!!!!!
They should do that here in Halifax, screw the malls!
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I'm sorry but the H&M store totaly overwhelms the existing achitecture, that atrium is an unfocused mess, the space feels very cluttered, the styles clash badly. The division between old and new is so sharp it could cut through reinforced concrete like butter.
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Actually, I think a sharp division between old and new can work very well - I agree that the modern aspect overwhelms the old and that it's unfocused and cluttered, but often, for example, a strikingly modern building in the middle of a practically ancient city like Paris or Venice or Amsterdam sometimes - sometimes - can be great. But it takes some work, and the H&M store needs a lot more work.
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