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ethereal_reality · #**5541** Posted **Dec 18, 2011, 12:05 AM**

Question posed by FredH.

Hmmmm....VERY interesting FredH..
I don't see which house you're talking about in the trailer court photo
BUT....you're right, this could be the same hill if we're looking east down Ord Street.
I believe that is the Post Office Terminal Annex just above the Clover Trailer Park sign.

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below: The view east down Ord Street notice the Post Office annex in the distance.

google street view

below: Looking west on Ord Street from about Hill St.
I believe the J.W. Robinson mansion would have been at the top of the hill and to the left (over by that huge apartment building).

google street view

I just took it for granted that the hill used in Cry Danger was Bunker Hill.

If you are indeed correct...you deserve a medal FredH.

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FredH · #**5542** Posted **Dec 18, 2011, 1:06 AM**

In Cry Danger they drove up Sunset (now Cesar Chavez) and turned right on N. Hill Place. The trailer park was maybe 500 feet up the road, on the right. It sat right above Ord Street in Chinatown.

What I meant in my last post was that the J.W. Robinson mansion looks like it may have been in about the same location as the Clover Trailer Park was 40 years or so later.

Clover Trailer Park was located in the highlighted area

Google Maps

ethereal_reality · #**5543** Posted **Dec 18, 2011, 1:23 AM**

OK I see what you meant FredH.
I haven't seen 'Cry Danger' so I didn't realize you were able to track their movement to the trailer court.
You are indeed correct about the location of the Robinson Mansion.

Am I the only one that thought the Clover Trailer Park was on Bunker Hill? I admit I can be slow at times.

ethereal_reality · #**5544** Posted **Dec 18, 2011, 2:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

Do we think that Bellevue once followed the alignment of Ord Street? Or perhaps that the address on the stolz website is in error?

The J.W. Robinson residence on Teed Street near Bellevue Avenue.

http://www.stoltzfamily.us/?p=451

G_W, I finally found a map (1899) that shows Bellevue Avenue intersecting N. Broadway as mentioned in the Stoltz Family blog (see above)

1899 map detail

below: If you follow the tracks Bellevue Avenue is Sunset Boulevard.

1899 map/source unknown. found on an old CD

But now that we have placed Bellevue Avenue in the area of the J.W. Robinson Mansion we have lost Teed Street.

So where is Teed?? It looks as if it was replaced by Yale Street or that slightly curved section of Hill Street.

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ethereal_reality · #**5545** Posted **Dec 18, 2011, 3:08 AM**

One more interesting thing about Teed Street before I move on to another subject.

Teed Street is missing on Google Street Views....so I was quite surprised to see it on my new street map of L.A.

The Thomas Guide

FredH · #**5546** Posted **Dec 18, 2011, 5:28 AM**

Now, that is really strange. According to your map, Teed Street should be between N. Hill Place and Hill Street

Google Maps

It should go from Cesar Chavez to Ord Street between those buildings. Obviously, it is not there.

At any rate, It seems that the J.W. Robinson mansion was up in that area somewhere.

3940dxer · #**5547** Posted **Dec 18, 2011, 5:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

There have been several 'atomic' glow photos posted earlier in the thread. Here are two photographs I don't remember seeing before.

below: The bright flash of a Nevada test reaches Los Angeles, circa 1955.

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I'm pretty sure this article was about that same test...

L.A. Times May 8, 1955

rick m · #**5548** Posted **Dec 18, 2011, 5:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

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It seems that the Robinsons moved on from Teed Street in time for Julia S. Ford to remodel the house in even higher Victorian fashion. (In my brief pokings around for this post I haven't seen any information on the Edgemonts or girls' school mentioned by rickm, but maybe that came later. Perhaps Rick can give us some more info.)

Careful study reveals the original upstairs front bay and porthole window remaining after the remodeling.

As for Teed, he seems to have been a ubiquitous city politician, serving in a number of capacities in the '80s and '90s including as city clerk and president of the city council. The name finally struck a bell--in my research for http://stjamesparklosangeles.blogspot.com/ I remembered reference to a Teed house just at the end of what is now called variously St. James Park West or St. James Place, which, at any rate, runs directly toward a house at 2365 Scarff Street built by Freeman G. Teed in 1893. In addition to his civic duties, Teed was also apparently something of a real estate specualtor. The house we see behind the prolific vegetation there today--now L.A. Historic-Cultural Monument No. 457--is an enlargement of his original cottage by Mrs. Elizabeth Wallace:

CDNC Los Angeles Herald, March 12, 1905

Wikipedia

The Scarff St. Teed house fully cleaned/painted this last month with all trees neatly trimmed and sod laid down-it is 3 lots above where I volunteer Saturdays @ OneArchives - The Ford version of the home was called the Edgemont at some stage (or when the academy existed?)- When they donated the property to the church the house was razed and a blocky-style girls academy replaced it- Can be found sketched on the WPA rendered maps of the late 30s Also should mention that at Sunset and No.Hill corner adjacent to the estate sat the creepy apartments of the radiation mutilated man in Kiss Me Deadly - in the 50s photos of amateur shutterbug album held @LAPL Rare Books this was referred to as "Mrs.Johnson's apts"

GaylordWilshire · #**5549** Posted **Dec 18, 2011, 3:52 PM**

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malumot · #**5550** Posted **Dec 18, 2011, 6:24 PM**

That's a stunner, ER

Consider this: All the street names were hand-lettered by the cartographers.

HAND LETTERED!

Check out the street at the extreme upper-left, radiating from "SISTERS HOSPITAL" ----

"BEAURY" ??

And a couple blocks east and south of that:

"FUGUEROA".

----Maybe our cartographer had a few too many Green Rivers with Schlitz chasers the night before when he got to that part of the map. LOL

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

G_W, I finally found a map (1899) that shows Bellevue Avenue intersecting N. Broadway as mentioned in the Stoltz Family blog (see above)

1899 map detail

GaylordWilshire · #**5551** Posted **Dec 18, 2011, 7:58 PM**

e_r: So it seems that Teed Street still exits on some current maps but vanished from the actual streetscape years ago.... but at least now I see that the east section of Bellevue (or Belle Vue or Belleview, depending on the cartographer) from about Sisters Hospital became an extension of Sunset/Chavez.... Of course, even though I knew you'd done your due diligence and cruised the area by Google Street View, I naturally had to do so myself, hoping, hoping to uncover some relic of Teed on more than just a map. Oh the pain of finding nothing... but...

Loving relics of the streetscape as I do, I was gratified to find a remnant in the form of steps back on Westchester Place, which we were discussing a few days ago. They are apparently from a third Rosenheim house design on the street, the Robert Marsh house at 1119 Westchester. Looks like this short flight of steps and wall are left from the original Marsh grounds...

Kansas Sebastian

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Google Street View

Bilbo · #**5552** Posted **Dec 18, 2011, 8:27 PM**

I seem to remember a few postings ago that someone had old copies of LA telephone directories.

If anyone has a copy circa 1930 will you kindly ley me know if there is an entry for "Guy Mcafee" - and if so - what address is shown

thank you

GaylordWilshire · #**5553** Posted **Dec 18, 2011, 9:41 PM**

In the 1929 city directory Guy McAfee was at 121 W Fremont Place--pretty swanky.... I think we've seen him here on these pages before. I assume you mean the Guy Mcafee who started out as a cop and then ran nightclubs on the Strip during Prohibition and then went on to Las Vegas....

Bilbo · #**5554** Posted **Dec 18, 2011, 10:04 PM**

Thank you - that's the Guy Mcafee - also known as the Al Capone of LA - are you aware of any photos/pictures of his address ?

GaylordWilshire · #**5555** Posted **Dec 19, 2011, 12:57 AM**

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This is NOT 121 Fremont Place West... it's McAfee's house in Beverly Hills in 1950 after a fire. (Search for "mcafee" at http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/photosearchADV.jsp? and you'll find more pics of this house.)

McAfee rented 121 Fremont Place and then 98 Fremont Place...see http://fremontplace.blogspot.com/

ethereal_reality · #**5556** Posted **Dec 19, 2011, 4:20 AM**

Tourist slides from 1952.

below: Busy street scene on Broadway (downtown).

ebay

below: The beautiful Ambassador Hotel on Wilshire Boulevard (demolished in 2005 by the Los Angeles Unified School District)

ebay

below: A great view of the 'New Chinatown' on North Broadway with mountains in the background.

ebay

below: I find this one the most interesting.
It's a rather odd composition with the Hall of Justice on the right.

ebay

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ethereal_reality · #**5557** Posted **Dec 19, 2011, 4:36 AM**

An aerial view of Los Angeles.

found on ebay

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ethereal_reality · #**5558** Posted **Dec 19, 2011, 4:59 AM**

A rare daytime slide of Clifton's South Seas Cafeteria at 618 S. Olive Street (dated 1960).

tourist slide found on ebay

below: Thankfully it was much more impressive at night! The greenish area in the center is a waterfall surrounded by flowing LAVA!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/edge_an...ar/5529415556/

http://www.cliftonscafeteria.com/pag...eas_frame.html

A color view of the interior.

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ethereal_reality · #**5559** Posted **Dec 19, 2011, 5:58 AM**

More interiors of Cliftons' 'South Seas'...this time in black and white. Courtesy of the Los Angeles Public Library.

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below: At least this one is somewhat tasteful.

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ethereal_reality · #**5560** Posted **Dec 19, 2011, 6:03 AM**

Before Cliftons' 'South Seas' it was Boos Bros. Cafeteria
In this view you are looking north on Olive Street from 7th in 1930.

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