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Old Posted Nov 7, 2018, 5:53 AM
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If there is one bright spot of a Pritzker governorship, its the legalization of marijuana. That will bring in hundreds of millions in taxes to the state (potentially closing the current budget deficit), both from the sin taxes on the marijuana products themselves as well as potential tourism dollars (sales tax, hotel taxes, airport landing fees, etc) from surrounding Midwestern states as people come to Chicago to try the legal weed.

Other than that, this could prove to be disastrous to the already sad state of Illinois's finances... assuming the new gov enacts all the social programs he has proposed but without finding ways to pay for them.
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2018, 1:58 PM
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This has been an ongoing delusion here. Black school kids like to hang out at that corner but there’s no crime and the area is crawling with cops. Most criminal activity in downtown Chicago is white collar.
I lived at Loyola's downtown campus for a year and can say there was never any serious crime there. It's probably a bit of a hotspot for ultra petty crimes, but it was usually someone getting caught trying to make a dash for the subway after snatching a purse or a smartphone usually over on Michigan and Chicago or a scuffle between a couple of drunk people. If anything it's the wealth on Michigan Ave attracting theives (or the giant groups of maurauding "Urban youths" that occasionally ransack corners of downtown) who then enter or exit the area through the nearest train stop. It's probably no different than the crime pattern you'd see at Grand. But yeah, there's no "criminal threat" posed by the panhandlers or McDonald's crowd you see loitering in the area. Welcome to the big city guys, sometimes there's "weird" people hanging out by the train...
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2018, 2:17 PM
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That McDonalds near there sure has a shady looking bathroom, though. I once went in there to pee and the urinal was.....a case study in social dysfunction, shall I say
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Is this based on actual data or are you just another person who equates feeling to objective data?
Yeesh, I must have really peeved you off at some point with the tone in your responses to me lately. I say this because it's the only place someone has tried to mug me downtown, and that's happened three times. I feel safer at my girlfriend's house in Back of the Yards than at that intersection sometimes.

Also, practically every time I walk by there(which is frequent because my brother lives in the Gold Coast) I see police cars and police officers walking around. In general it's been the location of my worst experiences in Chicago, although in the last few years it hasn't been as bad. I don't really know where one would find good data on what intersection is the worst downtown, so yes I am technically basing this off my "feelings" if that includes personal experiences and those of my friends and family. I find experiences that have a recurring trend to be valid, but that's just me.

I do find it interesting how many people are disregarding "petty theft" as such a minimal thing. Getting mugged is not fun, and I regard it as a pretty serious crime on an individual. If it happens frequently in a location that shouldn't just be brushed away.

In fact, the more I think about it, most people I know agree Chicago and State is a place to avoid.
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I thought mugging was considered armed or aggrevated robbery, not petty theft. Petty theft would be pickpocketing or burglary of something of minor value without interacting with the resident. Anything including violence generally turns it into a felony, which is hardly petty.
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Interesting, I've never perceived that intersection as unsafe. It gets a bit sketchier a few blocks west but I've never felt unsafe even late at night at Chicago and State.


On an unrelated note, I filed a graffiti removal request this morning for the first time (warning, racist language and symbolism): http://servicetracker.cityofchicago....ests/18-031060 Maybe some of Arthur Jones supporters are mad he lost? (Surprising he got 26% of the vote though. Seriously, what the fuck?). I guess racists are too stupid to get the parity of their symbolism right...
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I lived at Loyola's downtown campus for a year and can say there was never any serious crime there. It's probably a bit of a hotspot for ultra petty crimes, but it was usually someone getting caught trying to make a dash for the subway after snatching a purse or a smartphone usually over on Michigan and Chicago or a scuffle between a couple of drunk people. If anything it's the wealth on Michigan Ave attracting theives (or the giant groups of maurauding "Urban youths" that occasionally ransack corners of downtown) who then enter or exit the area through the nearest train stop. It's probably no different than the crime pattern you'd see at Grand. But yeah, there's no "criminal threat" posed by the panhandlers or McDonald's crowd you see loitering in the area. Welcome to the big city guys, sometimes there's "weird" people hanging out by the train...
You consider someone snatching a purse or phone (ie. Robbery) to be a "petty crime"?!

The intersection isn't bad, but there is definitely crime that happens there - My wife's sister had her purse ripped from her by a couple of teens a couple years ago, and my wife also witnessed a stabbing in front of the McDonald's in like 2015.
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Having your purse or phone snatched isn't "violence" is that really considered a mugging?
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You consider someone snatching a purse or phone (ie. Robbery) to be a "petty crime"?!

The intersection isn't bad, but there is definitely crime that happens there - My wife's sister had her purse ripped from her by a couple of teens a couple years ago, and my wife also witnessed a stabbing in front of the McDonald's in like 2015.
so suburban^

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so suburban^

Oh please, I grew up in Manhattan (Washington Heights) - If you want to be some poser who sympathizes with Criminals, be my guest. Have fun living in the jungle.
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If you want to be some poser who sympathizes with Criminals, be my guest. Have fun living in the jungle.

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Ski Steve, I'd like to shred with ya and talk buildings, where's your home mountain?
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2018, 1:44 PM
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Ski Steve, I'd like to shred with ya and talk buildings, where's your home mountain?
I'm from Utah originally. Haven't skied here yet- open to suggestions!
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2018, 1:59 PM
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^Wilmot Mountain (Hill) is your nearest option and the best option we flat-landers have! Nice photo by the way.

This tower appears thin and soars like 432 Park Ave, but 10x more aesthetically appealing. Well done Mrs Gang!
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No, the best skiing option is the American non-stop flight to Vail/Eagle (if they still do that).
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Haha yeah, I'm not proposing we go to Wilmot (though I do keep a pair of rock skis around now that Vail owns them and my pass is good there in case we ever get dumped on and I feel like a few turns).

Steve, what's your fav mountain in Utah? I'd love to get out to Canyons/Park City now that they've merged it.

And yeah, 10023 is correct that the best ski hill in the Midwest is Vail, just a long ways off. And yes they do still have the American non-stop to Eagle-Vail, always fun to board on the tarmac like the old days. I almost always drive though because I'm not in a hurry and it sucks trying to deal with rental cars etc in the mountains.

Who's all up for a flatlander SSP meetup in Vail then?
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I'm from Utah originally. Haven't skied here yet- open to suggestions!

hey there ski steve -- you can take an easy trip to cleveland to ski. its true lol! yes its flat there too, but the difference is we have big valleys. the cuyahoga valley national park is very beautiful in the winter and the skiing is great -- that's where i learned. it would certainly be a different sort of skiing experience for you!

https://www.bmbw.com/

bonus is the amazing metroparks chalet toboggan chutes -- it's a lot of winter fun too:

https://www.clevelandmetroparks.com/...es/tobogganing


and yes what an amazing photo!
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the best skiing within a 5 hour drive of chicago is rib mountain/granite peak up in Wausau, WI.

by no means is it remotely close to anything out west on real mountains, but with a total vertical drop of 700', it's definitely a giant step above the wilmots and alpine valleys of SE wisconsin.

the UP has some decent skiing as well. i've been to blackjack, indianhead, and big powderhorn and they're all pretty good and definitely better than anything in SE wisconsin too, but they're more in the 7 hour driving range, which gets AWFULLY long for a weekend ski trip.

mt. bohemia up at the tip of the keweenaw pennisula, with a 900' vertical, is famous for its back-country gladed runs through the trees and its 300 annual inches of lake superior snow, but i've never been there.
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^^^ Powderhorn is great, Steely you should check out Brule with the family when they are all old enough, it's super family friendly. They have all sorts of warming huts and evening sleigh rides you can do to get the kids more into the idea of freezing your ass off and enjoying the outdoors in winter. Then, once you've tricked them into the idea of skiing, you take them to the Porcupine Mountains and subject them to -10 degree straightline winds off Lake Superior while riding the lift like my parents used to.

I'm also a big fan of White Cap which is one of the larger resorts by number of runs and terrain.

I'm hoping to get up to Bohemia this winter myself, I've never been, but supposedly it is some of the most advanced terrain between the Rockies and New England. Lot's of glade skiing with cliffs and bumps and like you said 300"+ a year of Lake Superior snow machine.
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