Portage and Main re-opening 2016 - Page 43

robertocarlos · #**841** Posted **Oct 26, 2017, 9:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by cheswick

There are no right turns on red at Portage and Main.

You're right, there is no right turn on red from Portage east bound to Main southbound. I got confused. What I should have written is they need to stop the buses and cars from turning right on green to simulate pedestrians crossing.

cheswick · #**842** Posted **Jan 25, 2018, 4:21 PM**

'Unacceptable' access

Winnipegger in wheelchair says broken lifts make intersection more difficult to navigate

By: Jessica Botelho-Urbanski
Posted: 01/23/2018 7:49 PM

Crossing at Portage Avenue and Main Street already requires some roundabout navigating, but for those with mobility issues, the expedition has been particularly challenging the last three weeks.

Two lifts are out of order between the iconic Winnipeg intersection’s underground concourse and the tower at 201 Portage Ave. And for some downtown dwellers, such as Allen Mankewich, who uses a wheelchair, that makes the section of the intersection impassible.

“To me, three weeks is kind of unacceptable,” Mankewich said Tuesday. “The accessibility of (the concourse) isn’t that great. If you want to cross Portage and Main (which has been closed to pedestrians since 1979), you basically have to go underground and take up to four lifts, minimum, to try to get across the street.”

Full story: https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/lo...470805813.html

Wigglez · #**843** Posted **Jan 25, 2018, 4:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by cheswick

'Unacceptable' access

Winnipegger in wheelchair says broken lifts make intersection more difficult to navigate

By: Jessica Botelho-Urbanski
Posted: 01/23/2018 7:49 PM

Crossing at Portage Avenue and Main Street already requires some roundabout navigating, but for those with mobility issues, the expedition has been particularly challenging the last three weeks.

Two lifts are out of order between the iconic Winnipeg intersection’s underground concourse and the tower at 201 Portage Ave. And for some downtown dwellers, such as Allen Mankewich, who uses a wheelchair, that makes the section of the intersection impassible.

“To me, three weeks is kind of unacceptable,” Mankewich said Tuesday. “The accessibility of (the concourse) isn’t that great. If you want to cross Portage and Main (which has been closed to pedestrians since 1979), you basically have to go underground and take up to four lifts, minimum, to try to get across the street.”

Full story: https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/lo...470805813.html

Doesn't this crybaby know how many billions of children will be run down hourly at P&M if its opened!!!!!!!!!

Selfish disabled people being selfish again.

CoryB · #**844** Posted **Jan 25, 2018, 9:36 PM**

It is somewhat humorous this thread is titled "Portage and Main re-opening 2016" while we are in 2018 and it is still closed.

Wolf13 · #**845** Posted **Jan 30, 2018, 9:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by CoryB

It is somewhat humorous this thread is titled "Portage and Main re-opening 2016" while we are in 2018 and it is still closed.

Lol.

hopefully this is the year!

Wpg_Guy · #**846** Posted **Mar 24, 2018, 4:16 PM**

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By partnering to reimagine Portage & Main we’ve taken some of the biggest steps toward transforming our downtown in our lifetime. #SOTC2018 #mbpoli

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As the Richardson Building commences their improvements this spring, they’ll be the first to remove barriers at the iconic corner. #SOTC2018 #mbpoli

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This is the first step in a phased-in process that will better connect downtown from the Bell MTS Place to the Forks, to Shaw Park, to North Main and through the Exchange District. #SOTC2018 #mbpoli

buzzg · #**847** Posted **Mar 24, 2018, 4:31 PM**

Yeah I went to the State of the City lunch yesterday and he said that the barriers on the Richardson corner are actually coming down this spring.

I have to say, his speech was excellent. Seemed a lot more open and candid than in speeches past, it was pretty refreshing. And he didn't hold back on areas the city needs to improve. Even though it hasn't gotten covered much in the news (go figure) the city has made massive improvements in terms of transparency and access to information.

Johanna Hurme's speech was also great. Did a great job presenting "progressive views" to a room of generally conservative people.

Ando · #**848** Posted **Apr 17, 2018, 3:07 PM**

"Moving people off of streets is really 1950s thinking."
New York's former transportation commissioner commenting on opening P&M.

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/lo...479921073.html

CoryB · #**849** Posted **Apr 17, 2018, 3:33 PM**

Wow. Already seen chatter that Winnipeg will be holding a public "referendum" this October on if Portage & Main should ever be reopened. Heard the official campaign launches start in just under two weeks.

cheswick · #**850** Posted **Apr 17, 2018, 3:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by CoryB

Wow. Already seen chatter that Winnipeg will be holding a public "referendum" this October on if Portage & Main should ever be reopened. Heard the official campaign launches start in just under two weeks.

Yeah the referendum will be the civic election in which Bowman will win. Imagine holding a referendum on every civic decision. Talk about asinine.

esquire · #**851** Posted **Apr 17, 2018, 4:21 PM**

^ A referendum for what is, in the grand scheme of things, a minor decision is downright goofy.

HomeInMyShoes · #**852** Posted **Apr 17, 2018, 5:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ando

"Moving people off of streets is really 1950s thinking."
New York's former transportation commissioner commenting on opening P&M.

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/lo...479921073.html

My favorite quote...

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Originally Posted by theArticle

"The strategy isn't to get cars as fast as possible from A to B, it's to get everyone around... cities have learned when you add more lanes you don't increase traffic flow. After 50 years we know this strategy doesn't work. Nobody says we will solve obesity by increasing your belt size," she said.

HomeInMyShoes · #**853** Posted **Apr 17, 2018, 5:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by cheswick

Yeah the referendum will be the civic election in which Bowman will win. Imagine holding a referendum on every civic decision. Talk about asinine.

Anyone willing to bet on what happens?

CoryB · #**854** Posted **Apr 17, 2018, 5:21 PM**

Opening Portage & Main is definitely not a trivial issue. The cost of changes to that intersection alone is in the same ballpark as an underpass/overpass. There will also be wider implications for other routes downtown and likely transit.

That Bowman promised to get it done in his first term and we are still talking about it plays larger than just that issue too as it reflects on his effectiveness in the role.

I doubt he will lose but it definitely leaves him exposed to some valid criticism going into the election.

bomberjet · #**855** Posted **Apr 17, 2018, 5:31 PM**

Referendums are for things like separation. Not for minor, and yes this is minor, civic infrastructure issues.

WestEndWander · #**856** Posted **Apr 17, 2018, 5:42 PM**

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WestEndWander · #**857** Posted **Apr 17, 2018, 5:44 PM**

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WestEndWander · #**858** Posted **Apr 17, 2018, 5:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by CoryB

Opening Portage & Main is definitely not a trivial issue. The cost of changes to that intersection alone is in the same ballpark as an underpass/overpass. There will also be wider implications for other routes downtown and likely transit.

That Bowman promised to get it done in his first term and we are still talking about it plays larger than just that issue too as it reflects on his effectiveness in the role.

I doubt he will lose but it definitely leaves him exposed to some valid criticism going into the election.

You honestly believe that its going to cost $160 million dollars (cost of Waverly Underpass) to open Portage and Main?

What are you basing this on? To this point, estimates have pegged it between $12-$15 million dollars.

What are the wider implications for other routes and transit, aside from a slight increase in travel time? Which at this point have been estimated to be an avg. of 2 minutes.

Everyone loves to throw out doom and gloom but never with any concrete evidence as to why the sky will actually fall.

cheswick · #**859** Posted **Apr 17, 2018, 6:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by CoryB

Opening Portage & Main is definitely not a trivial issue. The cost of changes to that intersection alone is in the same ballpark as an underpass/overpass. There will also be wider implications for other routes downtown and likely transit.

That Bowman promised to get it done in his first term and we are still talking about it plays larger than just that issue too as it reflects on his effectiveness in the role.

I doubt he will lose but it definitely leaves him exposed to some valid criticism going into the election.

Portage and main re-opening including increase in Transit service to makeup for increased time was pegged at $11.6 million. Plessis underpass was $90 million. Waverly underpass is budgeted at $150 million. How is that the same ballpark? Also where was the referendums on those capital projects? Ludicrous.

esquire · #**860** Posted **Apr 17, 2018, 6:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by cheswick

Portage and main re-opening including increase in Transit service to makeup for increased time was pegged at $11.6 million. Plessis underpass was $90 million. Waverly underpass is budgeted at $150 million. How is that the same ballpark? Also where was the referendums on those capital projects? Ludicrous.

Exactly. It's practically trivial in terms of civic spending.

If Bowman simply decided to change his mind and say no, I would respect it even if I don't agree with it. However, attempting to weasel out of even making a decision in the first place would be downright pathetic.

Zero chance I vote for Bowman again if he gets council to call a referendum on the issue. Zero. No matter what the outcome is.