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  #181  
Old Posted Jan 17, 2008, 3:41 PM
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The main reason that there are so many towers being built on spec in Shanghai is because of 2010. In 2010 it will be legal for foreigners to own their own company without a Chinese partner. Most of these towers are foreign owned. There's no way Chinese developers could afford to construct all of these skyscrapers.
You mean Chinese Mainland companies? You should explore about mega developments being planned in Tianjin, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Shenyang or Chongqing. So many of them are run by Mainland groups like Shimao, Excellence, Moi, R&F, Yingli and The Regent among others. All of these companies are developing supertalls somewhere in China.

Of course many big projects in China are being developed my non Mainland groups, usually from Hong Kong and Taiwan, and many others by companies owned by ethnic Chinese from Singapore, Philippines, etc. Not too many by Japanese or Western developers though. The thing is that Chinese developers have a lot of money to build huge projects

Anyway, I don't think 2010 is boosting projects in Shanghai. On the contrary, Shanghai has become a rather second tier city about developing projects. Shanghai is getting its third supertall while so many cities in China are planning more than four.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 17, 2008, 6:07 PM
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Anyway, I don't think 2010 is boosting projects in Shanghai. On the contrary, Shanghai has become a rather second tier city about developing projects. Shanghai is getting its third supertall while so many cities in China are planning more than four.

Big difference in GETTING a new supertall and PLANNING a supertall.
     
     
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Big difference in GETTING a new supertall and PLANNING a supertall.
Also a difference between a developed city and a developing. Shanghai MUST grow upward, there is no othere space avail. Unlike othere cities that have many supertalls planned, Shanghai needs the vertical space, while others are just doing it because they can.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2008, 9:30 AM
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Could a mod lock this and put staff's thread in place? Kinda hard to follow along for those who are just jumping in on discussion, esp now that there is site activity. Renderings and updates are all over.
Right. Can a mod please lock this thread and open the one in the supertalls construction section?
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What thread? Also, this not only doesn't seem to be U/C.. site prep at best. A final design has not even been chosen, no?

This doesn't belong in Construction section.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2008, 9:08 PM
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It's down to 4 or even 2 proposals at the moment. The S.O.M. proposal has been eliminated.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2008, 11:20 PM
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^Lame. I guess it was too cool, and the structural system too revolutionary for Shanghai (or the builder cares a lot more about making a buck than making good architecture/engineering). With SOM's loss here in Shanghai (the first run), and in San Fran and Shenzhen this year, it will still be some time before the world will get a built tower utilizing a 3 dimensional non-planar (or planar for that matter) michell's truss for lateral load resistance...

I guess as long as that ugly as sin pagoda hybrid thing isn't still in it, there is still hope...

What proposals are still in the running then?

I wish I could see more than just the renders of the other towers, since that really doesn't give the whole picture of the building. I am curious to the sections and structural systems for some of the towers (By code in Shanghai due to high seismic activity and super typhoons, supertall towers need two lateral load systems (composite core can count as one)). Some of the proposals I find quite unattractive, and even downright ugly, but maybe they have something cool going on that isn't visible...

I was quite suprised that not a single one of the proposals (at least that I saw) tried to employ a super-mega frame system (Think Dynamic Intelligent Building or Al Burj (I assume) structural concepts), given the really tall height and enormous site to work with.
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I love the SOM design. It's a sjame it was eliminated, it was the best one.
     
     
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Staff, which proposals are still in the race? Do you know?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2008, 5:40 PM
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I don't know, but rumours basically say that construction is due mid-2008 and that the estimated construction time is seven years. Hopefully that means it's something very special we're waiting for...
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I don't know, but rumours basically say that construction is due mid-2008 and that the estimated construction time is seven years. Hopefully that means it's something very special we're waiting for...
Yes, it is something very special...and you won't be disappointed.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2008, 7:10 PM
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Reminds me of the Russia Tower. I have to say, alot of those models are ugly
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2008, 1:21 AM
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Yes, it is something very special...and you won't be disappointed.
What the? You can't do that! C'mon, you know something, so throw us a little more.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2008, 1:59 AM
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What the? You can't do that! C'mon, you know something, so throw us a little more.
Currently it is confidential, but I will say that it will easily be China's tallest.
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2008, 2:01 AM
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Thanks, Vito. I just needed a little something to go on.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2008, 9:33 AM
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Cheers.

Taller than the GZ TV Tower also?
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2008, 11:14 AM
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I can't wait to see the design and hear the official height
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2008, 6:09 PM
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Is it true that if you look at Shanghai from the sky, that it looks like a dragon swallowing a marble?
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2008, 8:24 PM
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Taller than the GZ TV Tower also?
I wasn't informed of the exact height, but it could be.
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