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I assume Acajack was referring to the built form of the street itself. If you remove the tents it's a fairly innocuous older semi-industrial area.
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I assume Acajack was referring to the built form of the street itself. If you remove the tents it's a fairly innocuous older semi-industrial area. Of course it's the tents that make it bad... and the new condos rising in the background of course.

Most "ghetto" areas in Canada don't actually look that bad in terms of built form. I particularly think of the 1960s/70s era townhouse and apartment complexes that are ubiquitous in Ontario. You can have one in Toronto that is lower-income but generally fine, and then another that is a (very relatively speaking) high crime gang area.

Thinking of these:
https://goo.gl/maps/uqzxT1dF86t
https://goo.gl/maps/5LeVGfJ36oK2
https://goo.gl/maps/nGRkFDPFLnE2
https://goo.gl/maps/32gESzVmUNr
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Then again even in places like Detroit the worst areas actually aren't the bombed out hellscapes.

I once spent a day driving around Detroit and came upon this gem. I didn't linger too long

https://goo.gl/maps/KwufoPbhxHQ2

take a tour of that street. At one point in time, the street was full of houses, people, life etc...now literally nothing. I wonder why part of the street is flooded.

Any idea of how the Glendower Court and Bay Mills housing projects are doing in Scarborough? I played soccer in the 70's with kids from those areas.

https://goo.gl/maps/37Av5oGAWWN2

https://goo.gl/maps/1r5aQsCLshH2
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I once spent a day driving around Detroit and came upon this gem. I didn't linger too long

https://goo.gl/maps/KwufoPbhxHQ2

take a tour of that street. At one point in time, the street was full of houses, people, life etc...now literally nothing. I wonder why part of the street is flooded.
Wow. That's crazy. It looks like it might have been a nice place where to live at one point in time.

And not too far away you've got this surprising neighbourhood: https://goo.gl/maps/Yu8yDCPsJH42
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I once spent a day driving around Detroit and came upon this gem. I didn't linger too long

https://goo.gl/maps/KwufoPbhxHQ2

take a tour of that street. At one point in time, the street was full of houses, people, life etc...now literally nothing. I wonder why part of the street is flooded.

Any idea of how the Glendower Court and Bay Mills housing projects are doing in Scarborough? I played soccer in the 70's with kids from those areas.

https://goo.gl/maps/37Av5oGAWWN2

https://goo.gl/maps/1r5aQsCLshH2
Crazy stuff in Detroit.

I see a mansard roof in that first Scarborough link.
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Really? Aside from the tent city (which admittedly is a rare sight in Canada), I think you can easily find streets like this in any city in the country. Or far worse.
no, having walked this street, I think it is truly the worst, most hopeless place in the country.

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Crazy stuff in Detroit.

I see a mansard roof in that first Scarborough link.
I hope the people there appreciate the mansard roof

Detroit is one of the most depressing US cities I've been to. Utter crapitude block after block and then magically you cross a street and you're in a well maintained neighbourhood with not a party store in site.
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Just another day on the Whalley Strip:
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no, having walked this street, I think it is truly the worst, most hopeless place in the country.
More so than East Hastings? I walked that strip several years ago and think I had an out of body experience at one point. The energy of the place is so intense I can’t imagine something worse in this country.
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More so than East Hastings? I walked that strip several years ago and think I had an out of body experience at one point. The energy of the place is so intense I can’t imagine something worse in this country.
I think so. East Hastings is no walk in the park, but it isn't completely down and out hopelessness, compared to 135A Street in Whalley.
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I never understood why Malvern is thought of as a "ghetto" or "the toughest area of Scarborough." It isn't either.
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I think so. East Hastings is no walk in the park, but it isn't completely down and out hopelessness, compared to 135A Street in Whalley.
I know the lower east side has been getting a bit better recently so it may not be as intense now as it used to be (perhaps a local can confirm) but it most certainly was not lacking in utter desperation and hopelessness. It was all very in-your-face too. And it’s a decently long stretch of road.
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Van/Surrey may have little pockets that seem worse, but Winnipeg seems to have the largest contiguous area of urban poverty in the country.
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Van/Surrey may have little pockets that seem worse, but Winnipeg seems to have the largest contiguous area of urban poverty in the country.
Not to bash Winnipeg but I agree. Its North End is the closest thing I've personally seen to American-style urban blight and decay on a fairly large scale in a Canadian city.
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Inner city industrial area or garbage dump?

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I honestly think Winnipeg's North End is the most ghetto looking area. It's downright depressing.

118th avenue in Edmonton is arguably the most ghetto street/area in the city. I've noticed some attempts of a rejuvenation with some infill and renovations going on with houses and businesses around 118th, but its still got a long way to go. Even the roads there are some of the worst in the city, it seems like the city turned a blind eye for awhile.

https://www.google.ca/maps/@53.57043...7i13312!8i6656

One of the better looking parts of 118th.
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There are pockets of poverty here and there in central Winnipeg, but the North End is the only one that feels like a self-contained city with its own main drag, Selkirk Avenue. That's what distinguishes it from the pockets of poverty you see in other Canadian cities.

The interesting thing is that the North End of 100+ years ago wouldn't have been much different when it comes to poverty. It has often been the first stop for people seeking opportunity here with little in the way of money, possessions, formal education, etc. However, these days, instead of European peasants it's more commonly Indigenous people from northern reserves.
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Yeah during the 1950s and 1960s, the Ukrainians moved to the northern suburbs (the Kildonans). The Jewish population moved in both directions. Most Jews went north first with the more affluent moving south, but over time the bulk of the community that stayed in Winnipeg became centered in River Heights and Tuxedo.

By the 1960s and 1970s, a large number of Indigenous people began moving to Winnipeg's North End and today Winnipeg I believe has the largest Indigenous population of any city north of the Rio Grande.
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Is there any evidence that any of these Canadian "ghettos" formed from American-style "white flight" or merely that affluent people moved away and poorer groups then filled in their place after, rather than the affluent people moving away because the other group came in.
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Canada never had "American-style" white flight with redlining, blockbusting and so on.
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There are pockets of poverty here and there in central Winnipeg, but the North End is the only one that feels like a self-contained city with its own main drag, Selkirk Avenue. That's what distinguishes it from the pockets of poverty you see in other Canadian cities.

The interesting thing is that the North End of 100+ years ago wouldn't have been much different when it comes to poverty. It has often been the first stop for people seeking opportunity here with little in the way of money, possessions, formal education, etc. However, these days, instead of European peasants it's more commonly Indigenous people from northern reserves.
Have there been any efforts in the slightest to try and turn the area around? It seems like its been an impoverished area for so long now.
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