HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > United States > Southwest


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #16561  
Old Posted Feb 18, 2020, 5:51 PM
RonnieFoos's Avatar
RonnieFoos RonnieFoos is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 2,705
Quote:
Originally Posted by biggus diggus View Post
I agree completely, there is a lot of hyperbole and a lot of editorializing in their articles. One must remember that New Times, and most of its writers, are downtown. I doubt the wages New Times pays a writer are sufficient living wages so my guess is most of these people are working multiple jobs and scraping by, they're letting their situation fester into animosity towards developers because they can't afford to live downtown anymore.

Should have bought something.
Or maybe moved upward in their career? Lynn Trimble has been there for years and has historically been more pro-development than anti. But the article with the new X Communities project she wrote is really opposite of her norm.
__________________
Ronnie Garrett

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?memberID=205
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #16562  
Old Posted Feb 18, 2020, 5:53 PM
biggus diggus biggus diggus is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 2,016
Moving upward in their career doesn't necessarily help with increasing rents.
__________________
Please excuse the brevity, auto corrected words, and occasionally incoherent sentences as I'm usually posting from my phone.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #16563  
Old Posted Feb 18, 2020, 5:58 PM
RonnieFoos's Avatar
RonnieFoos RonnieFoos is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 2,705
Quote:
Originally Posted by biggus diggus View Post
Moving upward in their career doesn't necessarily help with increasing rents.
True. But I would think it would still be better than what New Times pays
__________________
Ronnie Garrett

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?memberID=205
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #16564  
Old Posted Feb 18, 2020, 6:17 PM
biggus diggus biggus diggus is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 2,016
I agree with you. My point is more that if you've made the choice to rent rather than buy then I don't think you have the right to complain about rents. People are just trying to play victim.

The old "you dug your own grave" argument from me.
__________________
Please excuse the brevity, auto corrected words, and occasionally incoherent sentences as I'm usually posting from my phone.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #16565  
Old Posted Feb 18, 2020, 11:09 PM
mdpx's Avatar
mdpx mdpx is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 179
Quote:
Originally Posted by biggus diggus View Post
I agree with you. My point is more that if you've made the choice to rent rather than buy then I don't think you have the right to complain about rents. People are just trying to play victim.

The old "you dug your own grave" argument from me.
Everything with you is black and white. As you age I thought some grey would set in by now, but nope!
__________________
You want your mind blown? Seinfeld ended 21 years ago.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #16566  
Old Posted Feb 19, 2020, 12:02 AM
ASU Diablo ASU Diablo is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,128
Xico Arte y Cultura Is Moving to Roosevelt Row in Phoenix

Speaking of the Phoenix New Times, we finally know what's going in the old hardware store on 829 North First Avenue.

Nice arts and culture destination to Roosevelt. I was confused at first since I remember there was a liquor license application posted but there appears to be "food and bar collaboration in the works" according to the article. They are only occupying the ground floor so still some other retail potential for the 2nd level.

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/arts...oenix-11443356
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #16567  
Old Posted Feb 19, 2020, 12:26 AM
DesertRay DesertRay is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 233
Quote:
Originally Posted by biggus diggus View Post
New Times is a stopover for new journalists who are wishing to start a career. I'm not mad at them. The agenda within New Times has always, since the beginning, been a very liberal agenda and has always had an "eat the rich" takeaway for me.
Don't confuse liberalism (free trade, free exchange of ideas, etc--Cheney was a liberal) with populism and anarchic leftism. The New Times like the idea of free trade when it comes to porn and pot (gotta sell ads), but draws a weird line at new development. I still like to read them, but I know what I'm getting, so I generally stick to their discussion about culture and food.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #16568  
Old Posted Feb 19, 2020, 12:54 AM
biggus diggus biggus diggus is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 2,016
Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertRay View Post
I generally stick to their discussion about culture and food.
Same here, I have that site bookmarked to read their food blog regularly and to keep up with local events.

@mdphx I'm not sure what to say other than my take is that if you chose to be a renter you have therefore given up the right to complain about how much rent costs. The complaint is the same every time: "my rent keeps going up! I can't afford it!". What would have been the way to avoid that? Just saying...
__________________
Please excuse the brevity, auto corrected words, and occasionally incoherent sentences as I'm usually posting from my phone.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #16569  
Old Posted Feb 19, 2020, 6:39 AM
combusean's Avatar
combusean combusean is offline
Skyriser
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: The Alameda, San José, California
Posts: 5,665
I suspect that most of the artists and those sorts of types are renting a room at best and probably wouldn’t have the money to buy.

You also need decent credit and money saved up. This is generally outside of the scope of people who live paycheck to paycheck or work multiple jobs.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #16570  
Old Posted Feb 19, 2020, 11:11 PM
RonnieFoos's Avatar
RonnieFoos RonnieFoos is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 2,705
At the coliseum today and grabbed a shot of downtown from the 2nd level. Not the best shot, but really gives a really good impression of the changes the skyline is going through. You can see the cranes for X, Kenect, ASU and Link. ASU and Aspire will fill the gap between Freeport and Sheraton really well from this angle.

__________________
Ronnie Garrett

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?memberID=205
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #16571  
Old Posted Yesterday, 4:06 PM
azsunsurfer azsunsurfer is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 893
Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieFoos View Post
At the coliseum today and grabbed a shot of downtown from the 2nd level. Not the best shot, but really gives a really good impression of the changes the skyline is going through. You can see the cranes for X, Kenect, ASU and Link. ASU and Aspire will fill the gap between Freeport and Sheraton really well from this angle.

Lucky you went Ronnie! I was too busy with work, thanks for the pic!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #16572  
Old Posted Yesterday, 4:55 PM
biggus diggus biggus diggus is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 2,016
How was the rally?
__________________
Please excuse the brevity, auto corrected words, and occasionally incoherent sentences as I'm usually posting from my phone.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #16573  
Old Posted Yesterday, 4:57 PM
RonnieFoos's Avatar
RonnieFoos RonnieFoos is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 2,705
Quote:
Originally Posted by biggus diggus View Post
How was the rally?
I was there for work setting up computers. I'll just say the crowd was interesting
__________________
Ronnie Garrett

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?memberID=205
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #16574  
Old Posted Today, 2:26 AM
ChaseM ChaseM is offline
Chase M
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Peoria, AZ
Posts: 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by dtphxguy View Post
I’m sorry, but 250k sq ft of class AA office... with half of it leased This is a no brainer.

I can only think the city council simply wants more hotel rooms online by the time Super Bowl weekend is here. Hines said they’re project wouldn’t be complete in time for the Super Bowl, and Berger said they’ll have theirs done in time (even though central and Adams hasn’t started in two years...?).
Hines seems like the more logical choice in the long term since it's mixed-use. Wasn't there an article a few pages or so back explaining that the biggest thing Downtown Phoenix faces is lack of office space with vacancy rates dropping and almost all the new development being residential, I could've swore I saw that somewhere? The other issue I have with Bergers proposal being an all hotel vs mixed-use is it brings back memories of the fiasco that is the Sheraton, could the city go down this same path again?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #16575  
Old Posted Today, 7:53 AM
dtphxguy's Avatar
dtphxguy dtphxguy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaseM View Post
Hines seems like the more logical choice in the long term since it's mixed-use. Wasn't there an article a few pages or so back explaining that the biggest thing Downtown Phoenix faces is lack of office space with vacancy rates dropping and almost all the new development being residential, I could've swore I saw that somewhere? The other issue I have with Bergers proposal being an all hotel vs mixed-use is it brings back memories of the fiasco that is the Sheraton, could the city go down this same path again?
Yeah, Christine Mackay has stated in at least a few interviews that attracting office development is the main priority for downtown now. I don’t know how much influence the economic director has in the RFP process though... I would hope at least some.

And I’m not sure in what ways you think we’d be going down the same path... the city isn’t building and owning the Berger hotel like they did with the Sheraton. The development team would be taking on all the risk here, not Phoenix. But if you mean how it would be another entire city block devoted to one use like the Sheraton block, then yeah that is kind of unfortunate.
Reply With Quote
     
     
End
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > United States > Southwest
Forum Jump


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:42 AM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.