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Old Posted Jan 14, 2019, 2:57 PM
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Off top8c but it's nice to see L Tower with a clean top finally
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Great update, and it's also great to see a crane-less Libeskind tower.
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2019, 12:50 AM
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Toronto, finally becoming a big city.

Next step 200 skyscrapers!!
A number of these towers are just holes in the ground. Next step, IMO, is 100 completed towers. 75 by year's end is a strong possibility.
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2019, 12:52 AM
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A number of these towers are just holes in the ground. Next step, IMO, is 100 completed towers. 75 by year's end is a strong possibility.
I'll take it!!
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2019, 5:02 AM
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A couple years ago, one of you guys posted an interesting data set of Toronto highrises 150m+ and 200m+ built and u/c (2 columns I believe) for each year from 1997 to 2017 I believe. Any chance of recreating it for 1997-2022 or so? That would be really cool!
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2019, 12:06 AM
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10. Massey Tower (Toronto): 208.3m / 683ft
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2019, 1:37 AM
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Toronto 200m+ highrises built:

1987: 4
1990: 6
1992: 7
2009: 8
2012: 12
2015: 15
2018: 21


Toronto 150m+ highrises built:

1984: 9
1987: 10
1990: 12
1993: 14
2005: 17
2008: 19
2011: 28
2012: 33
2015: 43
2018: 61
2019: 62
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2019, 4:00 AM
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Nice Skyline Shot above.

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Toronto 200m+ highrises built:

1987: 4
1990: 6
1992: 7
2009: 8
2012: 12
2015: 15
2018: 21


Toronto 150m+ highrises built:

1984: 9
1987: 10
1990: 12
1993: 14
2005: 17
2008: 19
2011: 28
2012: 33
2015: 43
2018: 61
2019: 62
And 36 U/C towers over 150 m right now, so another big jump in the total is coming.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2019, 4:13 AM
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Don't forget the 10 over 200 meters Toronto's got UC right now too, plus YC which is an impressive 198.
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The interesting thing with those stats is it helps identify when Toronto went up a level, couldn't quite put my finger on it before. I'd say the 2015-2018 window saw a big vibe/cultural shift. If this keeps up then the mid 20's should see another major shift.
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Always love your attitude here on SSP. I was only curious where the numbers came from not if they were valid. Thank you for providing your source lol.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2019, 4:20 PM
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What a load of bullshit. You know that I'm an editor for SSP's database for a good 15 years and before that Emporis. You've been troubled by it for years too. (Re: L Tower being listed as completed because of the delayed, non essential BMU and despite it being a registered condominiums and the owners having taken possession) Why the fuck would I use another source than my own? (which I use to update SSP)

That's all. I'm not going to continue with your games. Take solace that koops has been promote to an SSP editor and the Toronto database is his show now. I'm now his sidekick.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2019, 4:41 PM
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The interesting thing with those stats is it helps identify when Toronto went up a level, couldn't quite put my finger on it before. I'd say the 2015-2018 window saw a big vibe/cultural shift. If this keeps up then the mid 20's should see another major shift.
It's less of a cultural shift and more of an economic one that saw towers go from 12 storeys to 50 storeys over the course of 20 years. Buyers have proven to buy anything over the course of the boom so it is developers setting the standard based on revenue vs costs. Height parallels buildable density in dense confines. For this reason, it's possible, even likely, the height standard will reverse itself at some point.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2019, 5:25 PM
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It's less of a cultural shift and more of an economic one that saw towers go from 12 storeys to 50 storeys over the course of 20 years. Buyers have proven to buy anything over the course of the boom so it is developers setting the standard based on revenue vs costs. Height parallels buildable density in dense confines. For this reason, it's possible, even likely, the height standard will reverse itself at some point.
Certainly. Developers and economic factors set the pace of change, what I was referring to was the vibe on the street which hit a new paradigm due to all the foot traffic, amenities, buzz, energy, etc. I anticipate further changes to the vibe in 2024-2027 even if it leads to a return to new lower rise construction projects.
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I can't comment whether the vibe on the street correlates with the number of 150 and 200 metres towers built. I'm not always around town. I can only say that life on the street has steadily improved from the depth of despair in the mid 90s with few setbacks. Those few setbacks paralleled economic downturns like the tech bust in 2001 and the financial crisis in 2008. In my experience, vibe as something measurable will be based on a community's well being than as a cultural shift. Torontonians don't strive to work 6 days a week to raise a family in a one bedroom apartment and that is what this boom has led many Torontonians to do. Lots of people on the street but, are they smiling at each other or sulking their heads.
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I can't comment whether the vibe on the street correlates with the number of 150 and 200 metres towers built. I'm not always around town. I can only say that life on the street has steadily improved from the depth of despair in the mid 90s with few setbacks. Those few setbacks paralleled economic downturns like the tech bust in 2001 and the financial crisis in 2008. In my experience, vibe as something measurable will be based on a community's well being than as a cultural shift. Torontonians don't strive to work 6 days a week to raise a family in a one bedroom apartment and that is what this boom has led many Torontonians to do. Lots of people on the street but, are they smiling at each other or sulking their heads.
Please elaborate, isn't a setback merely an architectural feature? What does it have to do with economic downturns? I'm intrigued.
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Setbacks on the road to increased vibrancy, not actual building setbacks.
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