Cities having seen the most skyline change since 2000

[WhipperSnapper]

Is parking sold separately or is it include in the unit price? There's not much hope for minimum parking standards if they are included in the unit price. Think twice when an underground spot costs an additional $100,000

[DatFiyah]

Austin had the biggest and most dramatically different changes out of all of these cities. Top transformation in America bar none.

[dave8721]

Originally Posted by DatFiyah

Austin had the biggest and most dramatically different changes out of all of these cities. Top transformation in America bar none.

If we are going back to 2000 like the thread title says, then Miami has had 48 of its 50 tallest buildings built since 2000. That's kind of a big transformation.

[wwmiv]

Originally Posted by bnk

I think places right up to an Ocean might have similar issues. Is there underground parking in Miami?

But
As in that Austin video It's quite also possible creating underground parking might be even more expensive in Texas.

The State famous for its lack of house basements because of their type of clay prevents it mostly in areas with that type of soil.

It's effect on towers below grade levels should be looked at. If I find an answer, I will submit it. But perhaps some members from the south already knows.

Basements are largely cost prohibitive in Austin and San Antonio due to limestone and flooding issues. Houston has a high water table, so they are quite rare there. The clay issue predominates in large parts of rural Texas, but in and around DFW it is actually quite common to see basements.

As you point out, the same dynamic is at play for parking garages in multifamily structures.

[wwmiv]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Is parking sold separately or is it include in the unit price? There's not much hope for minimum parking standards if they are included in the unit price. Think twice when an underground spot costs an additional $100,000

Austin just passed code allowing multifamily property managers to decouple spaces from units, rent them separately, and allow spaces to be rented to non-residents in the (quite dubious, imho) hopes that this will affect developers’ choice of underground versus above ground parking.

[Maldive]

The downtown Toronto core looking north-west from the lake to Davisville Avenue (doesn't include all the development further north around Yonge & Eglinton or North York). Model by @steveve.

Includes 3 super-talls u/c, 2 new bank towers and a third u/c (all near 250 metres) and dozens of 150 metre+ new builds completed and u/c.

And all those cranes in the sky (in blue) definitely changes the skyline.


steveve

[bilbao58]

The REAL reason houses in Texas rarely have basements is because they’re not needed. Basements are a cold climate thing where the frostline is deep and the house’s foundation needs to be even deeper. Tall buildings in Texas have basements, but who in their right mind wants to put six or more levels of subsurface parking under a high rise condo? There is underground parking all over Downtown Houston, but it rarely goes deeper than 2 or 3 levels.

[mhays]

Underground parking is pretty common outside cities where excavation is expensive. It's much better for the neighborhood and it uses land more efficiently. It's also easier in cities where parking ratios can be smaller.

In my area most parking is underground. My condo has four levels.

[bilbao58]

It’s not just the cost of excavation. In car dependent cities (like Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin and on and on), people buying luxury condos in high rises expect at least 2 parking spaces to go with their unit. They also expect their cars to remain above water during the “monsoon” season. Houston averages 50 inches of rain a year… occasionally almost all at once.

[AviationGuy]

Originally Posted by bilbao58

It’s not just the cost of excavation. In car dependent cities (like Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin and on and on), people buying luxury condos in high rises expect at least 2 parking spaces to go with their unit. They also expect their cars to remain above water during the “monsoon” season. Houston averages 50 inches of rain a year… occasionally almost all at once.

I'm not aware of the total rain being almost all at once, unless it was during those occasional droughts that can end with huge rainfall events. But to your point, it seemed that way with Harvey, where 50 or more inches fell in a few days, but totals that year were far more than 50 inches (I think over 100 inches in places). There have been other years where stations in the Houston area received more than 100 inches of rain.

Your point was well taken, though. Many thousands of cars have been destroyed by floods in Houston, sometimes from single thunderstorms that park over the city.

[bilbao58]

Originally Posted by AviationGuy

I'm not aware of the total rain being almost all at once, unless it was during those occasional droughts that can end with huge rainfall events.

What I meant, really, is that if the average is 50 inches, there have been weather events that dumped close to that yearly “average” amount at one time. Not that one extreme event was the only rain during any given year. I’m thinking specifically of Harvey and Allison. I was there for Allison. I don’t think many people on this forum have ever experienced 20 inches of rain in one night (40 over a week’s time).

[bilbao58]

Parking podiums are not just a thing in Texas.

“Los Angeles Planners Have Had It Up to Here With Parking Podiums

Above-grade parking garages, also called parking podiums, have become a standard typology across Los Angeles. From Koreatown to Downtown, new residential buildings are separated from the street by several floors of space devoted to parking.”

https://www.planetizen.com/node/8942...20to%20parking.

[strongbad635]

Originally Posted by bilbao58

The REAL reason houses in Texas rarely have basements is because they’re not needed. Basements are a cold climate thing where the frostline is deep and the house’s foundation needs to be even deeper. Tall buildings in Texas have basements, but who in their right mind wants to put six or more levels of subsurface parking under a high rise condo? There is underground parking all over Downtown Houston, but it rarely goes deeper than 2 or 3 levels.

This is correct. It rarely has to do with hard soil, difficult soil, or the water table. If that were the case, nobody here would have an in-ground pool either, but in fact they're ubiquitous. If a crew can dig out a pool (that BTW also needs to be watertight), they could easily build a basement. We don't have them because homebuilders don't want to spend the money to provide them when the ground doesn't freeze. Many older, historic homes in Houston have basements. Some churches do. Downtown has a good amount of subterranean parking, particularly around the Theater District.

when you see stuff that should be done underground being done above ground, it's because of penny-pinching. Not the soil.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by bilbao58

Parking podiums are not just a thing in Texas.

“Los Angeles Planners Have Had It Up to Here With Parking Podiums

Above-grade parking garages, also called parking podiums, have become a standard typology across Los Angeles. From Koreatown to Downtown, new residential buildings are separated from the street by several floors of space devoted to parking.”

https://www.planetizen.com/node/8942...20to%20parking.

70 years later, we're finally waking up to the bad zoning rules that destroyed America's cities.

[homebucket]

Originally Posted by bilbao58

Parking podiums are not just a thing in Texas.

“Los Angeles Planners Have Had It Up to Here With Parking Podiums

Above-grade parking garages, also called parking podiums, have become a standard typology across Los Angeles. From Koreatown to Downtown, new residential buildings are separated from the street by several floors of space devoted to parking.”

https://www.planetizen.com/node/8942...20to%20parking.

That article was written 8 years ago and not much has changed. LA is planning a mixed use high rise complex that features 10 levels of parking above a metro station, almost half of which are above grade.

[homebucket]

Originally Posted by mhays

Those are so weird looking, with their massive parking podiums topped by what look like separate buildings.

I'd rather cut the parking in half and put it all below-grade. Let the buildings be shorter if that's the trade-off. It wouldn't be as visually imposing but the neighborhood would be better.

The aesthetic is so ubiquitous in Austin that even when they build projects without above grade parking, they still put their buildings on podiums.




https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/n...velopment.html

[mhays]

That's likely due to land use code. Maybe you can fill your entire lot up to 75' but can only have a lower coverage percentage or smaller floorplates above. Or maybe it's about overall floor area ratio.

With mixed-use and residential buildings, the transition level is often good for building amenities, particularly pools.

Seattle towers typically have podiums too (though often no pools). They're just filled with actual occupancies, not parking (or with parking only behind other uses).

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Toasty Joe

South Loop during the polar vortex last month:



Source: Barry Butler

And doing a quick & dirty magic eraser, here's what the shot above would've looked like 25 years ago.

[Klippenstein]

^Should be in the skyline change thread. I wanted to post something for Chicago, but the skyline is so spread out that I wasn’t sure what angle was best to post. Probably one with West Loop/River North in the foreground would show the biggest change as well.

[Steely Dan]

^ good call!

I moved it over here now.

Chicago certainly hasn't seen the most skyline change overall this century, but with 14 of our 25 tallest built so far in the 21st century, it's certainly seen a fair amount of change for an already well- established skyline, especially so in certain sub-areas as shown above.