Your City's Best Building Built This Century - Page 4

Illithid Dude · #61 Posted **Feb 21, 2024, 7:36 AM**

The best building Los Angeles has built this century is of course the Walt Disney Concert Hall. It has become one of the most famous buildings in the United States, and has incredible interior acoustics. If only the city had more buildings built to that standard!

jmecklenborg · #62 Posted **Feb 21, 2024, 5:34 PM**

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LOL! No, the Federal Aviation Administration did!

Did they really? Or did the developer just say they did to get free publicity + a cop-out for not building the neck?

UrbanImpact · #63 Posted **Feb 21, 2024, 5:44 PM**

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Did they really? Or did the developer just say they did to get free publicity + a cop-out for not building the neck?

Pretty much all of South Florida's cities have strict FAA height limits. Even Miami has a small little area of a few blocks that can build to supertall status (and only 1049ft at that). The Hard Rock is located adjacent to FLL's approach and takeoffs.

https://www.forconstructionpros.com/...k-guitar-hotel
“As the height of the hotel was limited by a nearby airport’s restrictions, that design team attempted to save inches by reducing the slab thicknesses. This was achieved by designing post tensioned slab with enough reinforcing to get the slabs between 9 and 12 inches thick,” Southern explains.

Wigs · #64 Posted **Feb 21, 2024, 5:49 PM**

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Did they really? Or did the developer just say they did to get free publicity + a cop-out for not building the neck?

Look on a map or better yet Google Earth and measure the distance to FLL (Fort Lauderdale–Hollywood International Airport) which gets around 32 million passengers/yr. An airport almost 4x busier than Cincinnati's CVG

jmecklenborg · #65 Posted **Feb 21, 2024, 6:02 PM**

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The Hard Rock is located adjacent to FLL's approach and takeoffs.

I assumed that this thing was on or at least really close to the ocean. Instead it's...near self-storage garages, Fernando's Window Tinting, an across from a McDonald's.

It looks like they angled the guitar "tower" in part to attract the attention of landing passengers.

UrbanImpact · #66 Posted **Feb 21, 2024, 6:07 PM**

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I assumed that this thing was on or at least really close to the ocean. Instead it's...near self-storage garages, Fernando's Window Tinting, an across from a McDonald's.

It looks like they angled the guitar "tower" in part to attract the attention of landing passengers.

The location is due to the Casino. Gambling is only allowed in certain/limited places in Florida like Indian Reservations (like in this case), Dog/Horse Tracks, etc.

jmecklenborg · #67 Posted **Feb 21, 2024, 6:11 PM**

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Look on a map or better yet Google Earth and measure the distance to FLL (Fort Lauderdale–Hollywood International Airport) which gets around 32 million passengers/yr. An airport almost 4x busier than Cincinnati's CVG

Yeah everyone knows that Cincinnati lost the Delta hub to Detroit 20 years ago. It's definitely part of the reason why Detroit has started picking up steam while Cincinnati has been in relative decline, despite only having lost one major employer due to the airport situation (Toyota North American HQ moved to Dallas; arguably Macy's also left because of the airport situation but Macy's is also in sharp decline). Look at historical satellite images of CVG and you will see not one but three terminals demolished since the 2005 hub closure.

Wigs · #68 Posted **Feb 21, 2024, 6:21 PM**

I once flew into Cincinnati to connect to Charlotte to avoid O'Hare during massive snowstorms. So glad I did, O'Hare cancelled so many flights.

Too bad about the airport losing so much traffic but Cincinnati looks like a great city and the core city limits is on the up and up again like Buffalo. Both Queen Cities rising once again.

What is your pick for best Cincy building this century?

Buckeye Native 001 · #69 Posted **Feb 21, 2024, 9:00 PM**

Cincinnati's airport is sort of rebounding. Not as dead as when Delta moved out and thanks to Allegiant, I can get a direct flight from Mesa/Gateway relatively cheap (I know they upcharge for stuff that comes standard on most other airlines). CVG also handles a shit-ton of cargo thanks to Amazon Air and DHL. Unfortunately Ohio reaps none of the benefits. Never gets old picking up people at CVG and greeting them with "Welcome to Kentucky!"

edale was spot-on with the Contemporary Arts Center. Queen City Square had the most-impact on the skyline (I hate that tiara) but CAC is the real gem.

edale · #70 Posted **Feb 21, 2024, 9:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wigs

Look on a map or better yet Google Earth and measure the distance to FLL (Fort Lauderdale–Hollywood International Airport) which gets around 32 million passengers/yr. An airport almost 4x busier than Cincinnati's CVG

Maybe 4x busier in terms of passenger flights, but CVG is one of the top cargo airports in the country. Amazon and DHL have their North American hubs there, and the airport is the 6th largest cargo airport in North America, 12th largest in the world.

The Hard Rock guitar tower is 450 feet tall. Downtown Fort Lauderdale has buildings that are taller than that, and it appears to be a similar distance from the airport as the Hard Rock, so it's not clear to me that FAA restrictions are the reason for the lack of guitar neck on the building. Also, Hard Rock has proposed a similar tower in Vegas, which also doesn't feature a full guitar neck. Maybe another case of FAA restrictions, but I doubt it given the height of other hotels on the strip.

iheartthed · #71 Posted **Feb 21, 2024, 10:00 PM**

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Yeah everyone knows that Cincinnati lost the Delta hub to Detroit 20 years ago. It's definitely part of the reason why Detroit has started picking up steam while Cincinnati has been in relative decline, despite only having lost one major employer due to the airport situation (Toyota North American HQ moved to Dallas; arguably Macy's also left because of the airport situation but Macy's is also in sharp decline). Look at historical satellite images of CVG and you will see not one but three terminals demolished since the 2005 hub closure.

You have said this a lot but it's not true. Detroit and Cincinnati were never competing for the Delta hub. Cincinnati lost the Delta hub as a result of the Delta and Northwest Airline merger. Detroit was Northwest's biggest hub, so it makes sense that it became one of Delta's primary hubs. It was never a competition between Detroit and Cincinnati.

jmecklenborg · #72 Posted **Feb 22, 2024, 6:40 AM**

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It was never a competition between Detroit and Cincinnati.

The word "lost" does not automatically insinuate that there existed a competition. It wasn't my intent and I don't think anybody else reading this besides yourself got hung up on it.

Incidentally, here is the airport in 1985 (pre-Delta) versus 2020 (post-Delta + DHL U.S. hub + Amazon Prime Air U.S. hub). In this image, the Amazon facility is still under construction but it's up-and-running now.

jmecklenborg · #73 Posted **Feb 22, 2024, 7:05 AM**

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What is your pick for best Cincy building this century?

The Daniel Liebeskind condo tower that went up 2006-08 isn't spectacular but it is fairly interesting and sadly a hint at what could have been at the World Trade Center site.

What's crazy is that they sold about 1/3 of the units right before the housing crash, so it avoided being left unfinished like a lot of condo towers from that era, but most of the building remained empty until after 2015.

mrnyc · #74 Posted **Feb 22, 2024, 8:36 AM**

^ or lets leave that be for the cinci area and be grateful that kind of instantly dated wtc plan didn’t get built.

Toasty Joe · #75 Posted **Feb 22, 2024, 8:55 AM**

401 N Wabash (Trump Tower) is probably my favorite building to go up in Chicago this century, even with the tacky letters plastered on ~5 years after completion. I love how it rises dramatically from the river and how its curved edges catch the light. It's quite the blend of late 80s/90s postmodern vanity with more contemporary materials and form... a fitting addition to the city's "skyscraper museum" along the river. Doesn't hurt it was the precursor to the tallest building in the world, either.

NEMA Chicago is a solid contender, although less compelling from some angles.

view that captures both:

Honorable Mentions:
- One Chicago
- Aqua
- St. Regis
- The Row
- Legacy @ Millennium Park
- One Bennett Park
- RUSH University Medical Center (East Tower)
- The Godfrey Hotel
- WMS Boathouse
- Embry
- 300 N LaSalle

Steely Dan · #76 Posted **Feb 22, 2024, 12:59 PM**

^ another notch in NEMA's favor is how it has really anchored the new south loop skyline, which largely didn't even really exist when this century began.

BnaBreaker · #77 Posted **Feb 22, 2024, 4:15 PM**

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^ another notch in NEMA's favor is how it has really anchored the new south loop skyline, which largely didn't even really exist when this century began.

I love skyline shots like this that are focused in on a relatively obscure (to most) portion of the overall skyline. I'd bet that the vast majority of people outside of Chicago would have no idea what skyline this is, even though just on it's own it looks like a fairly major city in it's own right!