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Old Posted Apr 2, 2013, 7:40 PM
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Did you guys know that Allegiant Air is making a few trips out of YWG to Wendover (small gabmling place in Utah). They're infrequent (1 in April, 1 in May, 2 in July) but interesting as they use to only fly out of GFK.
My initial thinking is that these Allegiant flights may be special charters. While it would be nice from a customer perspective to have them running direct flights out of Winnipeg similar to their Grand Forks (GFK) and Fargo service the economics would have to make sense. I would suspect, from talking with people, that a significant portion of those existing flights are servicing the Winnipeg market. Offering direct flights from Winnipeg would then shift demand and need to have them adjust their service schedule. Also, one factor that would likely be at play is what their operational cost per flight is at GFK compared to YWG. If they can get their on the ground costs at YWG to be similar to GFK then there would definitely be an opportunity to expand their market with flights here.

For me the best part of flying with Allegiant is they have a similar seat pitch to West Jet yet the seats do not recline.
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2013, 8:26 PM
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Also, one factor that would likely be at play is what their operational cost per flight is at GFK compared to YWG. If they can get their on the ground costs at YWG to be similar to GFK then there would definitely be an opportunity to expand their market with flights here.
Allegiant flights to Wendover certainly are dirt cheap... flight packages out of Winnipeg have ranged from $199 to $229 return which includes a 3 night hotel stay. You certainly couldn't get a better price on a flight to the US, although from what I've heard Wendover is roughly the size of Carman so there is little to do there apart from gamble and drink at the casinos.

Of course, I would imagine that a price like that isn't because of low operating costs at YWG... it must just be a loss leader for the casinos.
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2013, 11:40 PM
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Allegiant flights to Wendover certainly are dirt cheap... flight packages out of Winnipeg have ranged from $199 to $229 return which includes a 3 night hotel stay. You certainly couldn't get a better price on a flight to the US, although from what I've heard Wendover is roughly the size of Carman so there is little to do there apart from gamble and drink at the casinos.

Of course, I would imagine that a price like that isn't because of low operating costs at YWG... it must just be a loss leader for the casinos.
There appear to be two casinos in town, and both are technically on the Nevada side of town. Plus, Wendover is less than 2 hours away from Salt Lake City, so one could always make a day trip to the big city.
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yes it is a loss leader for the casino's. my in-laws have gone before our of gfk but now for $25 more each, they can leave out of ywg. and many are sold out.
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Old Posted Apr 10, 2013, 3:51 AM
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so does anyone else maybe think that Porter Airlines could maybe maybe make Winnipeg a little Western Canada hub for them?? if they get those C-Series planes do a YVR-YWG on those bigger planes then change/connect to the smaller Q400 to fly to Toronto Island? any thoughts maybe???
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You can't fly from Toronto Island to Winnipeg.
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Old Posted Apr 10, 2013, 12:48 PM
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You can't fly from Toronto Island to Winnipeg.
Is this statement based on the capabilities of the C-100 or the current agreement that governs YTZ?
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You can't take off fully loaded from the island airport with a Q400 even...and you can't fly jets from the island
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Old Posted Apr 10, 2013, 1:25 PM
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A C-100 with half tanks and a full load CAN takeoff from YTZ and make YWG.

Obviously the problem is the current agreement prohibiting jets from operating out of YTZ. However Bombardier has said the C-100 will have the same noise footprint of the Q400, part of me has to think they are gunning for Porter to be able to use it out of YTZ with claims like this.
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so does anyone else maybe think that Porter Airlines could maybe maybe make Winnipeg a little Western Canada hub for them?? if they get those C-Series planes do a YVR-YWG on those bigger planes then change/connect to the smaller Q400 to fly to Toronto Island? any thoughts maybe???
Similar to what Greyhound Air had for a few years?

I would like to think Saskatoon, however that is highly unlikely, Winnipeg or Calgary is far more likely.
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...and you can't fly jets from the island
I doubt this will change. Population density is increasing like mad along the waterfront.

But if it did happen - that would be some serious competition for WJ and AC. And no more lugging suitcases onto the 192.
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Old Posted Apr 10, 2013, 1:55 PM
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I doubt this will change. Population density is increasing like mad along the waterfront.

But if it did happen - that would be some serious competition for WJ and AC. And no more lugging suitcases onto the 192.
According to various news reports, Porter is pushing hard to extend the Toronto Island runway by a few hundred feet to better accommodate the new CSeries jets it will be acquiring. And those jets apparently give off about as much noise as the Q400 turboprops that Porter currently uses. Those factors might make jet service to YTZ more likely.

I think getting the runways extended will be a very difficult feat for Porter to pull off. The time to do that was 30 years ago before Toronto's waterfront became so densely populated.

Even if Porter can't fly directly to Western Canada from YTZ, I'm sure they'll find a way to get out here sooner or later. Whenever it happens, they will be most welcome in Winnipeg.
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Old Posted Apr 10, 2013, 1:59 PM
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With the rumored CSeries purchase by Porter it is clear they have Air Canada and West Jet in their sites.

Winnipeg (YWG) definitely seems to have hub potentinal for them. I am no expert on things but from what I read it would seem that YWG to YTZ on Q400 turbo props is a possibility as would YWG to YVR. Also YWG has less competition for flight slots than other airports such as Calgary (YYC) which is a West Jet hub.

I really think that long term (ie five to ten years) YWG is going to increasing see service by the turbo prop fleets, especially if we can reach YVR, YYC, YTZ and YYZ from here with those planes. The wide body jets will then be used on routes from the hub cities.
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Old Posted Apr 10, 2013, 2:23 PM
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I doubt this will change. Population density is increasing like mad along the waterfront.

But if it did happen - that would be some serious competition for WJ and AC. And no more lugging suitcases onto the 192.
They are building an express train from Pearson to Union Station.......
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They are building an express train from Pearson to Union Station.......
I'm well aware of that. http://urbantoronto.ca/news/2012/11/...on-progressing

But they will not come close to matching the price point of the TTC.
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Porter Airlines confirmed Wednesday that it plans to buy up to 30 CS100 jets from Montreal-based Bombardier, greatly expanding its reach with the potential to expand its service to Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg, Los Angeles, Florida and the Caribbean.
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Porter Airlines confirmed Wednesday that it plans to buy up to 30 CS100 jets from Montreal-based Bombardier, greatly expanding its reach with the potential to expand its service to Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg, Los Angeles, Florida and the Caribbean.
Has approval been granted to operate them out of YTZ?
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Has approval been granted to operate them out of YTZ?
I think that's step two.

http://www.thestar.com/business/2013...d_airport.html
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Brilliant strategy with the conditional order of Canadian built jets. Bombardier is masterful at lobbying. The pressure to accomodate this will be enormous.
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Not only that (the Bombardier side of things), but by allowing the CSeries at the island airport they'd essentially be turning Porter into a third national airline - the benefits will be tough to counter.
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