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Old Posted Nov 14, 2018, 10:15 PM
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Ironically the name Nederlander paired with the orientalist motifs of the theater make me think of the Dutch East Indies and therefore Java/Indonesia and therefore the ugliness and evils of colonialism, which is more negative connotation and thought than I would have ever had when thinking of "Oriental." Fucking ridiculous.
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OK, maybe it's just me, but I thought it was pretty clear from the reports on the name change that the reference to 'oriental' being offensive was just thrown out for a little cover for the ONLY reason, and the REAL reason for the change.... the owners and the dollars talk... they want their name on the theater... that's all it is...
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2018, 1:02 PM
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I was just thinking about this yesterday as I walked past, dreading the day that PC would come knocking on the door of the Oriental Theatre. Didn't realize it would be so soon. Ugh. I can't even find any complaints about the name on the internet, which is astounding. The owners are apparently just being proactive.

The sign is a painstaking replica of the original sign from the 1920s, which was long-gone by the time theatre boosters brought the place back in the 1990s.
The sign is not a replica at all, it's complementary to the building, but Disney-style. The vertical sign is not to the full scale of the original vertical sign, either.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2018, 3:15 PM
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OK, maybe it's just me, but I thought it was pretty clear from the reports on the name change that the reference to 'oriental' being offensive was just thrown out for a little cover for the ONLY reason, and the REAL reason for the change.... the owners and the dollars talk... they want their name on the theater... that's all it is...
yes, that was my take as well.

the PC claim is a smokescreen.

and it appears to have worked.
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Faking one objective in order to achieve one’s real goal. Good idea, I think we should refer to that strategy as the “Bezos maneuver”
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Wasn't aware the vertical marquee wan't to the original scale. Thanks for the info.
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After looking at this old photo though, are we sure the marquee isn't more or less the same size but just mounted higher on the facade?
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2018, 5:50 PM
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Medinah Temple

Another old theater I'd love to see restored is the Medinah Temple at Wabash and Ohio. My grandfather was a Shriner and I remember him taking the family to the circus there.

Bloomingdale's Home Store is in the building now but Macy's (Bloomingdale's parent) is looking to sell the building.

Here's what the theater used to look like:


Here's what it looks like today:


And here's a link to more
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restoration of the temple beyond its current state seems impossible. they straight up gutted it (which is a complete shame. it was considered one of the most acoustically perfect venues in the city)
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$$$

If somebody has enough $$$ and thinks they can make enough $$$ anything can happen.
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$$$

If somebody has enough $$$ and thinks they can make enough $$$ anything can happen.
Yes. It’s largely about $$$. And it seems to me the relevant questions are:

1. What would it cost to rip out most or all of the interior and build a new theater?
2. Would the cost be justified, considering that you would save the exterior ornamentation (including the roof), plus the ceiling dome over the stage area?
3. What are the chances the building is sold, torn down and replaced with a highrise glass box?
4. Is there a demand for another large downtown theater? (Another theater would both support and be supported by increased tourism.)
5. Should/could the City pay for some of this? Could some of the McPier tax $$ be used? (IMO, this would be at least as worthwhile as the money being spent on Navy Pier.)
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3. What are the chances the building is sold, torn down and replaced with a highrise glass box?
Zero. It's a Chicago landmark.
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After looking at this old photo though, are we sure the marquee isn't more or less the same size but just mounted higher on the facade?
A few stories shorter, on the bottom and top.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/sminor...7625908772271/
https://imgur.com/a/HZx61Ci
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