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If General Growth Properties can come out of bankruptcy, then yes. The Seaport is long overdue for an overhaul.
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Wily Bill Ackman Gets His Eastside Development (But Not the One You Think)



By Matt Chaban
October 8, 2010

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So Bill Ackman's not gonna wind up with Stuyvesant Town, even if he'll still probably make his money back. That won't stop him. Whatever Wily Bill wants, Wily Bill gets. If it happens to be a development site somewhere on the southeastern side of Manhattan, than so be it, Bill will find a way.

Sure the South Street Seaport isn't an 11,200-unit apartment complex in prime location. But it could be even better, if Gregg Pasquarelli and SHoP get their way.

To clarify, Ackman is now in charge of Howard Hughes Corp., an entity that is being spun off from General Growth Properties, as the gigantic retailer exits the largest real estate-related bankruptcy in the nation's history. General Growth will continue to opperate the company's malls, while Howard Hughes will takeover its major development projects.

These include the seaport, where the pre-bankruptcy General Growth had proposed turning the outmoded Pier 17 into a modern retail and condo complex, completed with a 42-story tower. The project still awaits approval from the city's Landmarks Preservation Commission, though the tower is outside its purview.


As for the name, Ackman explained it to Bloomberg thusly:

"The Howard Hughes name — which reflects the success and vision of one of our country's greatest entrepreneurs — is a fitting brand for this world-class portfolio of real estate assets."

And yet the first thing that came to mind when the Real Estate Desk heard the name Howard Hughes was the Spruce Goose, the tycoon's attempt to build the largest plane ever, which managed to take off but once due to its poor design. The Desk would hate to think Ackman has jinx his outsized project at the Seaport. If so, it could all turn out rather badly...
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Seaport redevelopment back on the table

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Plans to redevelop the South Street Seaport, now owned and operated by the Howard Hughes Corporation, are back on the discussion table.

The Howard Hughes Corporation, a spin-off of General Growth Properties, who went bankrupt in April 2009, has acknowledged that is reviving the plans, which include a hotel, a condominium tower and retail shops to the Howard Hughes Corp.

The hotel’s design would be inspired by the South Street Seaport’s maritime heritage, according to thenewseaport.com.

The Howard Hughes Corp. said it was not at liberty to release new design plans to the press or public until they are finalized, according to the company’s president, Grant Herlitz. The company, however, is in contact with the city and various architects and consultants to “make sure we continue the process.”

In 2007, G.G.P. developed a plan to enhance the public open space and access to the waterfront at the South Street Seaport. The goal of redeveloping the area, according to thenewseaport.com, would be to create pedestrian-only streets that extend beyond the city grid. “These new buildings would open lanes that create view corridors to the harbor and the Brooklyn Bridge,” the site reads.

Two sky bridges, would connect the commercial and public spaces, according to the site. The proposal also includes demolishing the Pier 17 mall.

Herlitz would not confirm or specify any aspect of the design plans, though he said that the corporation plans to engage in “thought-provoking” discussions with the city and local organizations to “come up with the most vibrant plan for the South Street Seaport that’ll garner support and be an exciting new redevelopment [project] for the city.” The pier, he added, would continue to serve as an “integral” part of Lower Manhattan.

Since the South Street Seaport is a historic district, any plans for redevelopment will have to go before the city’s Landmarks Preservation Commission once it has a finalized version of the plans. The L.P.C. disparaged G.G.P.’s original development design in a hearing held in late 2008, deeming the new buildings too tall and modern for an area that is comprised of low-rise brick buildings. The commissioners never ended up voting on the project, however, since G.G.P. never made a follow-up presentation, according to Elisabeth de Bourbon, director of communications at the L.P.C.

Community Board One initially approved G.G.P.’s original development plans, voting 23 to 16 in favor of the project in November 2008, on the condition that the plans include the creation of a new school. The board rescinded its endorsement of the project later that month, however, when the D.O.E. said there was no need for a school in the South Street Seaport.

Herlitz said it’s too early to solicit community input on the project, and that a time frame for the district’s redevelopment has not yet been ironed out.

A senior designer at ShoP Architects declined to comment on the project without the authorization of the Howard Hughes Corp.

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Not a big fan of that building's design. I do love the large buildings in the background though, in that last picture. Specially the one with the spire
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I liked it. The new design will probably be something similar, but smaller.
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A page earlier I read a post on a never built building by South Street that wasn't built, but was mentioned in a post. I am going to give you a bit more information. The building was to be called 80 South Street, would have had been designed by Calatrava, was supposed to have rose to 1,123 feet with the spire, the roof height would have had been 826 feet, and it would have had been a residential, office, and museum building, but it wasn't built due to economic problems. One of the reason was the building had multiple boxes, and if you were to by it you would have to by the whole box which would have had cost millions of dollars. Though this is a great topic for a never built building so I am going to make a thread on this building sometime later.

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On another note I am stunned, and appalled that they are getting rid of the current Pier 17 Mall. I have had been there before. It's historical, beautiful, and interesting, and I would hate for it to go. Why don't they extend the pier, and just move the current Pier 17 Mall up there, and connect both the historical, and the modern building together.

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Though this is a great topic for a never built building so I am going to make a thread on this building sometime later.
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South Street Seaport Redevelopment Actually Happening

When General Growth Properties still held the lease on the South Street Seaport, the makeover plans included a 42-story condo/hotel from the SHoP architects team, to go right where the Pier 17 mall is now. Three years later, the Seaport has a new owner in General Growth spinoff Howard Hughes Corp., but otherwise, we're pretty much where we were, looking at a couple of Seaport redevelopment scenarios, with the winner to be announced within the next two months. Except that this time, it looks like the development will actually move forward. DNAinfo has the rundown on the possibilities.

The first option is, like the General Growth plan, a total redevelopment, but the Howard Hughes version calls for knocking down the Pier 17 mall and building low-rise towers instead. The Tin Building would be moved to the tip of the pier, and where the New Market building now stands, a tower would go up. Can we put in a vote for the old SHoP design?There's also a plan on the table that calls for a not-so-total overhaul of the site: Howard Hughes might opt to hang on to part of Pier 17 mall and rebuild around it. Several mall tenants have recently signed two- to five-year leases, and Algonquin Theater Productions is building a 200-seat theater there, making this possibility sound a little more likely than complete demolition. Or else it's an attempt to keep us on our toes.
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New Seaport Owner to Reveal Development Plans This Spring

March 18, 2011
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The new owners of the South Street Seaport expect to announce their development plans within the next month or two, an executive said this week.

"We haven't confirmed the exact development plan, but we're working closely with the city to define a plan that meets their needs," Grant Herlitz, president of Howard Hughes Corp., told DNAinfo.

Herlitz said one option is to do a complete overhaul of the area, similar to what former owner General Growth Properties proposed in 2008. Under that scenario, Howard Hughes would raze the Pier 17 mall and replace it with low-rise buildings, move the historic Tin Building to the pier's tip and erect a tower on the site of the New Market building.

But Herlitz said another option would be to keep more of the existing buildings in place. Under that scenario, Howard Hughes might maintain part of the Pier 17 mall while demolishing the rest of it, Herlitz said.


"We're excited about the Seaport as a redevelopment [site]," Herlitz said. "We're working closely with the city to ensure we do the right thing."

After Howard Hughes announces its plans, the project will still have to go through a series of public reviews, including approvals from the Landmarks Preservation Commission, the City Planning Department, the City Council and Community Board 1.

General Growth Properties' plan several years ago hit a roadblock when the Landmarks commission sharply criticized the drastic alterations to the pier. GGP declared bankruptcy shortly afterward, in April 2009, and the redevelopment has been on hold since then.

Howard Hughes, a General Growth Properties spinoff, took control of the property last year, and executives made it clear that they intended to redevelop the site.

But Howard Hughes has also been investing in the existing Pier 17 mall, recently leasing a second-floor space to Algonquin Theater Productions to build a 200-seat cabaret there.

And while GGP started restricting mall tenants to one-year leases once the company started thinking about redeveloping the pier, Howard Hughes has recently awarded two-to-five-year leases to some mall tenants, business owners said.

Downtown residents have been pressing Howard Hughes leaders to involve the community in their plans.

"We want to be a part of it," said Ann DeFalco, a Community Board 1 member who lives nearby.

Michael Piazzola, general manager of the Seaport, told CB1's Seaport/Civic Center Committee this week that the development team could give a public presentation as soon as April.
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And hopefully some new designs. I hated the designs for the seaport from the start.
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Competing visions for South St. Seaport

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April 20 - 26, 2011

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...When General Growth, the previous leaseholder of the area, filed bankruptcy in 2008, it spun off 34 assets that were not central to its operations. Shareholders of General Growth became shareholders of the Howard Hughes Corp., which was created on Nov. 9, 2010 as an independent, publicly traded real estate company with assets spanning 18 states from New York to Hawaii. One of those assets was the South Street Seaport.

According to Howard Hughes Corp.’s Chief Executive Officer David R. Weinreb in a letter to shareholders dated April 7, 2011, Ward Centers, a 60-acre property in Honolulu, Hawaii, and the South Street Seaport “represent substantial redevelopment opportunities.”

Weinreb notes that “South Street Seaport is one of the top five most visited sites in New York City.” He goes on to say that, “When the U.S. economy recovers, those assets that are best located will be primed for development.”

William A. Ackman, chairman of Howard Hughes Corp., said that at $3.1 million — the book value of the South Street Seaport — the property is undervalued. “Last year, it generated more than $5 million in cash net operating income,” he said in a letter to shareholders, “and this number meaningfully understates the future cash-generating potential of this property as G.G.P. [General Growth Properties] generally discontinued granting long-term leases to tenants as it prepared the property for a major redevelopment. Even using the $5 million N.O.I. number, one can get to values approaching $100 million using cap rates appropriate for New York City retail assets, and we would likely leave a lot of money on the table if we sold it for this price.”

He said that if the South Street Seaport were sold, the sale could generate “large amounts of income” because the book value is so much less than market value, but such a sale “might be destroying long-term shareholder value…particularly if we believe materially more value can be created through redeveloping and releasing these assets over time.”

Grant Herlitz, president of Howard Hughes Corp. said that the company is “assessing and reassessing” what should become of the South Street Seaport. “We’re not yet a point where we’re ready to make a recommendation,” he said. “We’re working closely with the City to come to a resolution that will reenergize the South Street Seaport and once we do that, everybody will be pleased.”

The plan that General Growth Properties had floated, which included putting up a 495-foot-tall hotel and apartment building, demolishing the mall on Pier 17, moving the Tin Building to that site and erecting a low-rise, boutique hotel is still on the table.

“That’s one of the options,” said Herlitz, “but it’s not the only option.”


He said that he was aware that many in the Lower Manhattan community had opposed the G.G.P. plan. “Once we come up with the options that we think are most viable, we will absolutely try to get as much community support as we can get,” he said. “After all, the Seaport has to serve the community so it wouldn’t do us any good to try to serve a community that is opposed.”

He said that Howard Hughes Corp. hopes to release a plan for the Seaport later in 2011.

Meanwhile, Robert La Valva is rounding up 40 to 50 vendors for each of his weekly markets. “It’s important just to keep the market going because it’s its own best spokesperson as the market,” La Valva said, “and the more we do it….” He did not complete the sentence. But he said the market will definitely open on May 1, “and we’ll be putting up a Maypole!”
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Three-Story Glass-Walled Structure May Replace Pier 17 Mall



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A glass-walled, three-story structure with a roof garden and sweeping river views is the new vision for Pier 17 at the South Street Seaport.

That’s the preliminary plan for a building on the pier that would replace the current mall, as described by Community Board 1 members who got a preview of the scheme. Those who saw the plans Wednesday, in a private presentation by SHoP Architects and the pier’s leaseholder, Howard Hughes Corp., said in interviews with the Trib that they liked what they saw.

“Everybody was very impressed with the design,” said Bruce Ehrmann, a CB1 member and co-chair of the board’s Landmarks Committee. “The building is designed to have view corridors to the water instead of the big, bulky mall that’s there now.”

The CB1 members said the design calls for retail space on the mezzanine and third floor and an open ground-floor level with additional retail. "You can see through to the towers of the Brooklyn Bridge," said Paul Hovitz. "It gives you a sense of being able to enjoy the Seaport from the ground floor as opposed to a mall type entrance."
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The Howard Hughes Corp., which has a long-term lease on portions of the South Street Seaport, quietly showed its plans for Pier 17 to a few members of Community Board 1 on Dec. 14 but refused to talk about them further or to discuss them with the press.

John Fratta, chair of C.B. 1’s Seaport Committee, said that he, C.B. 1 chair Julie Menin and Paul Hovitz, a member of the Seaport Committee, met with Howard Hughes reps and saw some plans for a structure that would replace the current mall. “They’re lowering the building,” said Fratta. “They’re going to make it all glass so no matter where you are on Pier 17, you’re going to have an unobstructed view of the Brooklyn Bridge.”

Howard Hughes Corp. owns, manages and develops commercial, residential and mixed-use real estate throughout the United States. It is a successor to General Growth Properties, which wanted to erect a high-rise building on Pier 17 and a 495-foot-tall hotel/condo tower on a lot just outside the landmarked Seaport district. General Growth wanted to move the historic Tin Building to make room for these structures but its bankruptcy in 2009 scuttled those plans.

However, the memory of that near miss still makes those who opposed General Growth’s vision very nervous.

Meanwhile, the interested parties are watching Howard Hughes warily, ready to protest if the real estate company’s Seaport plans should prove to include something other than the three-story, glass structure with a roof garden that was furtively dangled in front of Community Board 1.
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New 'Peer 17' at Seaport



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South Street Seaport’s Pier 17 retail mall, which has been commercially adrift for years, has a shipshape, glass-wrapped future in store.

Owner Howard Hughes Corp. plans to replace the boxy, near-windowless three-level shopping complex with a shimmering, transparent one topped by a rooftop park and designed by architectural firm SHoP. The proposal was unveiled last night at a Community Board 1 meeting.

The new building would occupy almost the same footprint as the old Pier 17. It requires city approvals including from the Landmarks Preservation Commission. Sources said the redesigned pier will have 250,000 square feet of selling space, slightly more than the current total. But where the existing pier resembles a barn, its replacement will be transparent and offer shoppers a sweeping view of the East River.

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Interesting. This latest proposal seems like putting "lipstick on a pig" with whats wrong with Pier 17. Just replacing the existing building with a glassier one doesn't the address the fact that an indoor mall has not been successful on the site, or address the fact that the historic Tin Building that is shoved up against the FDR or address the lack of outdoor space on the south side of the pier. IMO a roofdeck on top of the building would diminish the vibrancy of the pier, by poaching activity from the bottom of the pier and placing on top of the building. Ignoring the tower, I thought the openness of the building footprints in the previous SHoP proposal was much more compelling.
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Interesting. This latest proposal seems like putting "lipstick on a pig" with whats wrong with Pier 17. Just replacing the existing building with a glassier one doesn't the address the fact that an indoor mall has not been successful on the site, or address the fact that the historic Tin Building that is shoved up against the FDR or address the lack of outdoor space on the south side of the pier. IMO a roofdeck on top of the building would diminish the vibrancy of the pier, by poaching activity from the bottom of the pier and placing on top of the building. Ignoring the tower, I thought the openness of the building footprints in the previous SHoP proposal was much more compelling.
Pier 17 mall currently is a shithole full of tourist stores. This would be a high end experience that is open air in good weather, including a massive roof space.
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