US city populations - which happens first?

[PhilliesPhan]

My vote is for Washington. It will be interesting to see how things play out over the next three years, but I think that this is a given due to D.C. being the seat of government, along with its well-documented transformation. I can also see San Francisco hitting a million residents, but only if the city can overcome its NIMBYs and bolster its overall unit count.

Although I couldn't vote for it given the parameters of this poll, Philadelphia is absolutely going to hit 2 million in my lifetime. The city I grew up in during the 2000s is completely different than the city I live in today. Entire neighborhoods have been rebuilt, Center City is more vibrant than ever, new amenities are getting ready to come online, and people are starting to recognize that they can live a great, urban, car-free life here without the premium that comes with living within the boundaries of other East Coast peers. If we can get an out-of-region corporation to relocate to the city (specifically to Schuylkill Yards. Go Brandywine!), then that would solidify our upward trend and likely move our population growth to 1%+ per year.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by ThePhun1

Oakland is lucky it's where it is or else it would have declined even more than it has over the years.

I don't understand this comment at all. Where else would Oakland be other than where it's currently located?

[mhays]

Seattle will slow down. We haven't zoned enough capacity to keep growing at the current rate for long. Recent growth has been dependent on underused sites in the 15% of the city where density can go, plus filling the 2010 vacancies (done), a big increase in roommates, families not moving to the suburbs because they can't buy, etc. The pressures are rising...seen in land prices for developable zoned sites, housing prices, etc.

I dream about us hitting 750,000 in the next census. Or maybe the estimates and count will be subsentially different, or we'll simply stop, and we'll be much less than that.

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

booooooo.... i was actually really looking forward to being able to conveniently walk to get some real deal sauerbraten in my new hood.

oh well, at least Resi's and Laschet's aren't too far away down on Irving, a little bit of a hike though (~25 mins. from our new place).

Himmel's has very good german food. Better than brauhaus by far. But the brauhaus atmosphere was the best.

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by Boisebro

seriously, is Laschet's still around? I shared a few beers with Karl on occasion while his wife sat at the end of the bar smoking her cig's. I'm guessing neither of them are alive anymore...

Oh yeah, it's still open. And delicious.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

Himmel's has very good german food. Better than brauhaus by far. But the brauhaus atmosphere was the best.

that's great to hear! i've never been there. how's their sauerbraten?

but yeah, the brauhaus experience was about so much more than just the food. our city has lost something special and wonderful.

[ChiSoxRox]

Another target: New Orleans hitting its pre-Katrina population (494,294 in the 2005 estimates). The 2010 count was 343,829 while 2016 estimates had it back to 391,495. However, the rebound has slowed drastically in the last few years.

[ThePhun1]

Originally Posted by dimondpark

I don't understand this comment at all. Where else would Oakland be other than where it's currently located?

My point is that it's lucky that it's not only across the bay from San Francisco but in the Bay Area in general, near other notable cities such as Berkeley, rich suburbs and to a lesser extent Silicon Valley.

If it were a stand alone city in the Midwest or South like Detroit or Birmingham it would have declined significantly. Being in the Bay Area props it up.

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

that's great to hear! i've never been there. how's their sauerbraten?

but yeah, the brauhaus experience was about so much more than just the food. our city has lost something special and wonderful.

The owners were in there 80s and were done. They refused to sell the restaurant to anyone. So sadly it's gone.

Never had the sauerbraten at Himmels.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by ThePhun1

My point is that it's lucky that it's not only across the bay from San Francisco but in the Bay Area in general, near other notable cities such as Berkeley, rich suburbs and to a lesser extent Silicon Valley.

If it were a stand alone city in the Midwest or South like Detroit or Birmingham it would have declined significantly. Being in the Bay Area props it up.

Yawns.

Silicon Valley would not exist were it not for Leland Stanford, a SF railroad baron.

SF would not be the city it is today were it not for the gold discovered in the Sierras.

Near notable cities such as Berkeley? Pfft. UC was born in Oakland and later moved 5 miles over to it's current location.

Rich suburbs? Pfft. Oakland has more affluent households than any other city or suburb in the 510 and 925 area codes, and it's always been that way.

Being in the Bay Area 'props' up every city in the region. You act like Oakland has no history and has made no contribution into making the Bay Area what it is-and that's simply wrong.

Detroit and Birmingham? Those places have nothing to do with Oakland.

[Pavlov's Dog]

Originally Posted by ChiSoxRox

Another target: New Orleans hitting its pre-Katrina population (494,294 in the 2005 estimates). The 2010 count was 343,829 while 2016 estimates had it back to 391,495. However, the rebound has slowed drastically in the last few years.

I can make a round two with some of the comeback kids. New Orleans, St. Louis, Cincinnati, Youngstown, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, etc.

[ThePhun1]

Originally Posted by dimondpark

Yawns.

Silicon Valley would not exist were it not for Leland Stanford, a SF railroad baron.

SF would not be the city it is today were it not for the gold discovered in the Sierras.

Near notable cities such as Berkeley? Pfft. UC was born in Oakland and later moved 5 miles over to it's current location.

Rich suburbs? Pfft. Oakland has more affluent households than any other city or suburb in the 510 and 925 area codes, and it's always been that way.

Being in the Bay Area 'props' up every city in the region. You act like Oakland has no history and has made no contribution into making the Bay Area what it is-and that's simply wrong.

Detroit and Birmingham? Those places have nothing to do with Oakland.

I disagree...but we can agree to disagree. Whether it's fair or not, Oakland gets a bad rap nationally, not by everyone but plenty.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by ThePhun1

I disagree...but we can agree to disagree.

I didnt state anything that was incorrect.

Whether it's fair or not, Oakland gets a bad rap nationally, not by everyone but plenty.

Considering the average sale price for a detached house in Oakland in Nov 2017 was $966,476-I don't think being perceived as ghetto by ignorant, uninformed out-of-towners matters to locals.

[ThePhun1]

It could. I perceive Detroit as ghetto, impoverished and run down but maybe it's not that bad given that I've never been there. But it is a major reason I'd never consider moving there unless it was for work or school.

So outside perception does matter, fair or not.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by ThePhun1

It could. I perceive Detroit as ghetto, impoverished and run down but maybe it's not that bad given that I've never been there. But it is a major reason I'd never consider moving there unless it was for work or school.

Meanwhile the average house in Oakland spends only 20 days on the market before it sells well above asking price.

So outside perception does matter, fair or not.

LOL life is not fair, no need to be hung up on it.

[AviationGuy]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

yep, oktoberfest is still held there every year, typically the second weekend in september, and maifest is held in the same spot every year, typically the first weekend of june.

and i'll be living 1.5 blocks away from it. can't wait.

in sadder Lincoln Square german-american news, chicago brauhaus has announced that they are closing soon.

I just looked at this area on Streetview. Looks really cool. Did you buy a place there?

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by AviationGuy

I just looked at this area on Streetview. Looks really cool. Did you buy a place there?

Yep, we closed on our new home last friday. We won't move until late january.

You can read all about how we ended up in Lincoln square in this link: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=230347

[P-Vidal Naquet's Mot]

Originally Posted by skyscraperpage17

Yep.

There is no empirical evidence whatsoever to support this statement. It is, however, redolent of white racist sentiments and class bias, which has made "Oakland" a trope for white Americans enamoured of their racist beliefs.

One will note that Oakland's has up until a decade or so ago played the bouc émissaire for quite a few racially biased Americans, and not a few of them are the always brazenly faux "progressive" and quite-less-than "liberal" San Franciscans and Berkleyites of reality. How disappointed they all must have become––or willfully ignorant regarding––the rise of Oakland as the Bay Area's arts, culture, and culinary powerhouse for a younger, multiracial generation, particularly the so-called "Hipsters." But then, again, perhaps the likes of the NYTimes, LATimes, UK Guardian, UKExpress, UK Telegraph, Le Monde, Boston Globe, National Geographic, NPR, et al., have it all wrong about Oakland.

That whatever Oakland's recent and striking rise in fortunes, it's all due, all of it, to its ever so lucky proximity to ethnically cleansed, all-white San Francisco, amiright, bruhs?

[P-Vidal Naquet's Mot]

Originally Posted by ThePhun1

It could. I perceive Detroit as ghetto, impoverished and run down but maybe it's not that bad given that I've never been there. But it is a major reason I'd never consider moving there unless it was for work or school.

So outside perception does matter, fair or not.

You practically condone racism, classism, and bigotry as mere "perceptions," neutral choices based on taste and benign sentiment when in reality they are organizing principles that have warped, destroyed, and annihilated entire societies.

You really don't know anything about American urban history in general or about Oakland in particular, and you know literally nothing about Detroit, other than a rather all-too comforting notion that Detroit is a "ghetto." You all too clearly assume that this is the "natural" outcome of the having a largely black population, and you haven't bothered yourself in the least to learn about whites' control and destruction and wholesale abandonment of the city––while taking all of the cultural and literal capital with them, a combined wealth and basis of power they restricted to themselves through apartheid law and custom for entirety of the twentieth century.

Likewise, Oakland. You clearly are wholly unawares that even in its nadir––mid-century to the year 1980, Oakland nonetheless retained sizeable neighborhoods of tremendous concentrated wealth and cultural capital (Montclair, Upper Oakmore, Crocker Highlands, Rockridge, Sequoyah, etc.). You seem utterly oblivious to the hypergentrification taking place in Oakland today and its rise as a major cultural center and trope for the multiracial millennials.

To rectify your reliance on "perception"––i.e., white racist and classist beliefs––do consider reading at least the three following definitive works:

1.The Origins of the Urban Crisis: Race and Inequality in Postwar Detroit, Segrue, Thomas

2. American Babylon: Race and the Struggle for Postwar Oakland , Self, Robert

3. The Wages of Whiteness: Race and the Making of the American Working Class Roediger, David

Here is the world press that you and like-minded individuals have somehow failed to "perceive" over the past ten or so years regarding Oakland's rise:


1. FIRST WAVE, OAKLAND'S CULINARY SCENE ATTRACTS ATTENTION:

2009: http://www.travelandleisure.com/arti...ity-by-the-bay

2011: http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar...kland-20110320

2012: https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyl...RnM/story.html

2. THE SAN FRANCISCO SHOCK: NY TIMES CHOOSES OAKLAND FOR LIST OF "BEST PLACES TO VISIT" 2012:

2012:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/tr...o-in-2012.html

2. THE GAME CHANGER, NY TIMES COINS THE OAKLAND "MEME"

2014: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/04/f...y-the-bay.html

3. THE NEW NARRATIVE ––"Oakland Rising" (National Geographic, NPR, etc.)

2013: https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...he-new-oakland

2014: http://intelligenttravel.nationalgeo...akland-rising/

2014-15: https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2...a-new-brooklyn

2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifv_ktmbMUk (youtube video: Zagat names Oakland # 2 new hottest restaurant scene in America)

2016: https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2...iday-guide-usa


TODAY –– A CITY'S ARRIVAL: American "Hipster Haven" (UK Telegraph, LATimes, etc.)

2017:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/di...visit-oakland/

2017: http://www.latimes.com/travel/califo...togallery.html

2017: http://www.latimes.com/travel/califo...nap-story.html

2017: http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/...-a7647171.html

2017: https://www.almanacofstyle.com/blogs...mescal-oakland

ART MURMUR/FIRST FRIDAY –– The Bay Area's Premier Counterculture Happenings:

1. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/11/us...-its-name.html

2. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/arts/02sfculture.html

3. https://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakla...nt?oid=3417007

4. http://staging.oaklandartmurmur.org/...ted-art-scene/

[ThePhun1]

Yawn, I'm African-American. So much for me being bigoted toward Detroit, Oakland and their social issues.