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Old Posted Jun 23, 2008, 11:53 PM
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I guess we'll just have to tighten the noose around the choke points that are the bridges by not expanding them, and soon, we'll have them gasping for transit.

Aren't rich people supposed to be free market capitalists? What gives them the right to block developers from building 50-storey highrises on their purchased land?
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Aren't rich people supposed to be free market capitalists? What gives them the right to block developers from building 50-storey highrises on their purchased land?
The problem is that they are capitalists of convenience. It's always "free market, free market" -- as long as things go their way.
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2008, 1:54 AM
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The problem is that they are capitalists of convenience. It's always "free market, free market" -- as long as things go their way.
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remember West Vancouver is the municiplaty that outlaws industry - there are no industrial businesses allowed in their city
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remember West Vancouver is the municiplaty that outlaws industry - there are no industrial businesses allowed in their city
We should cut them off and make them stand as a country on their own. See how well they thrive without industries.
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i think it will be the same shape/ size... but it will probably look different....
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2008, 6:42 AM
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We should cut them off and make them stand as a country on their own. See how well they thrive without industries.
Monaco seems to survive just fine and I doubt it has any traditional industrial land.
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Monaco seems to survive just fine and I doubt it has any traditional industrial land.
Monaco is a very different case to West Vancouver though...

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One of Monaco's main sources of income is tourism; each year many are attracted to its casino and pleasant climate. In 2001, a major new construction project extended the pier used by cruise ships in the main harbour. The principality has successfully sought to diversify into services and small, high-value-added, non-polluting industries such as cosmetics and biothermics.
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Monaco does a lot of Ferrari repair.
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I'm postive West Van would not chip in at all as they would not want skytrain running anywhere near them. Pretty sure North Van feels the same way.

hate to bring up an old bit here, but i live in North Van and would more than welcome a SkyTrain extension to here. but my question is where is it going to go??
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hate to bring up an old bit here, but i live in North Van and would more than welcome a SkyTrain extension to here. but my question is where is it going to go??
Downtown of course =)
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hate to bring up an old bit here, but i live in North Van and would more than welcome a SkyTrain extension to here. but my question is where is it going to go??
Low population density + multiple billions of dollars = not gonna happen in our lifetime
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North Van City is one of the most densely populated municipalities in Canada. Maybe that's not the best basis for measuring density. In any case, they have managed to squeeze just under 50,000 nimbys into 5 square miles. There would be worse places to build a line to (namely, West Van, Dunbar, Westwood Plateau, Ladner, etc), and there are better places to build a line to (eg. Newton, Guildford, Coquitlam, Langley, etc)
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North Van City is one of the most densely populated municipalities in Canada. Maybe that's not the best basis for measuring density. In any case, they have managed to squeeze just under 50,000 nimbys into 5 square miles. There would be worse places to build a line to (namely, West Van, Dunbar, Westwood Plateau, Ladner, etc),
Isn't that called the Evergreen Line?

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and there are better places to build a line to (eg. Newton, Guildford, Coquitlam, Langley, etc)
I'd be hesitant to build towards Langley, and accelerate the sprawl. I'd rather serve them with a commuter rail, with widely spaced stations, to ensure that the rural gap between them and the bulk of the GVRD don't get closed.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2008, 1:15 AM
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I'd be hesitant to build towards Langley, and accelerate the sprawl. I'd rather serve them with a commuter rail, with widely spaced stations, to ensure that the rural gap between them and the bulk of the GVRD don't get closed.
I agree Skytrain isn't the right kind of rail for Langley. I'd support a line with three or four stops along the Southern Railway to Scott Road.
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North Van City is one of the most densely populated municipalities in Canada. Maybe that's not the best basis for measuring density. In any case, they have managed to squeeze just under 50,000 nimbys into 5 square miles. There would be worse places to build a line to (namely, West Van, Dunbar, Westwood Plateau, Ladner, etc), and there are better places to build a line to (eg. Newton, Guildford, Coquitlam, Langley, etc)
Well, going by your stats, The City of North Vancouver is thus denser than the City of Vancouver. So a rail extension to the North Shore might not be so uneconomical afterall.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2008, 4:43 AM
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Well, going by your stats, The City of North Vancouver is thus denser than the City of Vancouver. So a rail extension to the North Shore might not be so uneconomical afterall.
Not quite, but close. Vancouver's about 20% more densely populated than North Van City. More importantly, from 2001-2006, North Vancouver City's growth rate was less than half of Vancouver's growth rate, which in turn was less than half of Surrey's growth rate. North Van City's low growth rate was 8 times higher than the District's. If parts of the District were magically appended to the City, the density stat would plummet.

Coincidentally, New West, which is slightly larger than North Van City, was just slightly less dense than North Van City in 2006, but with about three times the growth rate. If those growth rates haven't changed too much over the last two years, New West is now the second most densely populated municipality in Metro Vancouver.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2008, 3:24 AM
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Thanks for clearing that up. Interesting that you bring up New West, though -- because one thing that NW does that NV doesn't is SkyTrain... lots of Skytrain.

I still argue that North Van City is under-served, unfairly, by rail - even though it has embraced density and smart growth.
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