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Old Posted Sep 20, 2016, 9:33 PM
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^ For what it's worth, after the initial design of the MAB redevelopment went over like a lead balloon, the minister promised that it would be reworked, presumably without a parking lot out front. We never saw any updated renderings though.

The NDP has to wear some of this given that they waited until the 11th hour to start moving ahead with this proposal. Had MLLC pitched it even one year earlier it would probably be under construction by now.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2016, 9:58 PM
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It's funny how Polly Craik's statement made it sound like doing anything other than leasing space basically amounts to irresponsibly playing wannabe developer. Is that really so? I mean, is Gerry Price an idiot because EH Price has its own buildings instead of leasing them?

How is it smarter to make lease payments on 4 buildings with employees scattered over 5 sites? If the numbers actually do add up, then why didn't they share them?
Yeah, the Polly Craik comments were drawn straight out of the official PC comment book on former NDP projects. So much for the ability of these boards to make independent decisions based on rationality alone. Her name's Polly, so I guess that makes her a parrot.
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Old Posted Sep 21, 2016, 2:44 AM
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^ For what it's worth, after the initial design of the MAB redevelopment went over like a lead balloon, the minister promised that it would be reworked, presumably without a parking lot out front. We never saw any updated renderings though.

The NDP has to wear some of this given that they waited until the 11th hour to start moving ahead with this proposal. Had MLLC pitched it even one year earlier it would probably be under construction by now.
Yeah, heard that one before. Probably would've just put sod instead of concrete.

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Yeah, the Polly Craik comments were drawn straight out of the official PC comment book on former NDP projects. So much for the ability of these boards to make independent decisions based on rationality alone. Her name's Polly, so I guess that makes her a parrot.
LOL.
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Old Posted Sep 21, 2016, 2:40 PM
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Well, an unfortunate but not unexpected turn of events for this project. The loss on the purchase of the building should be re-couped, $7.9M..Project now categorized as canceled.
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2017, 8:21 PM
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So Liquor and Lotteries has put out a tender for 22,000 sq. ft. of space to combine the two entities - but the tender specifically excludes the downtown area.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...411723565.html
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2017, 8:24 PM
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So Liquor and Lotteries has put out a tender for 22,000 sq. ft. of space to combine the two entities - but the tender specifically excludes the downtown area.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...411723565.html
I just posted in the construction thread on this. This is not for MLL, but for Liquor and Gaming Authority, it appears?. Apparently is separate from MLL and does inspections on liquor and gambling venues.
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2017, 8:29 PM
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Right, I didn't pick up on that distinction. Nonetheless, not a promising development.
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2017, 8:31 PM
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What is the point of excluding downtown from the bidding process? I mean, fair enough if some building owner can supply a suburban building with lots of parking for cheap, but why exclude even the possibility of a downtown building? If saving money is your mantra, then shouldn't you be at least considering the possibility?

Not every downtown building is pricy high end class A space. There are some smaller, cheaper buildings with decent amounts of parking.
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2017, 8:35 PM
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Yeah. Hopefully someone, as Stefano mentioned in the article, can talk to them about being downtown. It doesn't mean you can't fit because parking and rents.
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2017, 10:22 PM
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Disappointing but not surprising. I imagine supporting downtown revitalization doesn't appeal much to the traditional PC rural and suburban voter base.
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This needs to be downtown.
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Why exclude an area "due to the perceived high lease costs". Are they going to locate on Selkirk Ave in the north end because it has the lowest lease rate? I doubt it. They should simply list out their full needs including parking, access to transit, etc. and then see what responses they get back and look at the whole package including the cost of parking.
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Exactly. This really makes less than zero sense. And the worst part is they allude to the possibility that the downtown could be included if thought necessary, but that the whole tender would need to be withdrawn and re-submitted. Mind boggling.
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Clarity, this isn't the MLL headquarters thing. This is separate.
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Came out today a deal has been reached from MLLC to sell the Medical Arts building to a developer looking at conversion to apartments.
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Came out today a deal has been reached from MLLC to sell the Medical Arts building to a developer looking at conversion to apartments.
Awesome.
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Hopefully they figure out a way to increase the size of the windows or even add balconies.
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2017, 1:58 PM
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Looks like MLL made a few million from flipping the Medical Arts Building:

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Manitoba Liquor & Lotteries (MLL) made a hefty profit flipping the downtown Medical Arts Building.

A senior executive with Timbercreek Asset Management Inc. of Toronto confirmed it paid $15.5 million for the 15-storey office tower, an adjoining 385-stall parkade and the surface parking lot on the north side of the tower.

That’s nearly twice the $7.9 million the Crown corporation paid for the properties in September 2015.

MLL also spent $2.4 million on planning and redevelopment costs associated with its ill-fated $74-million plan to expand and renovate the building. It planned to use a portion of the space for its corporate headquarters and rent out the rest to other tenants.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bus...434882763.html

The good news here is that Timbercreek will get to work overhauling the parkade and tower... the bad news is that any development activity on the surface lot at Graham and Kennedy is pretty much postponed indefinitely. Or at least that's what I infer from their spokesman's comments:

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Initially, Timbercreek will focus on the redeveloping the office tower and upgrading the parkade. The redevelopment of the surface parking lot will take place at an unknown date.

"There is a long-term plan there, but right now that’s a fair bit into the future."
Speaking of them, has there been any word on where MLLC's head office is going to end up?
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Hopefully they figure out a way to increase the size of the windows or even add balconies.
Agreed. Windows large enough to cover the entire space around the current windows would be a dramtic improvement without even recladding the exterior.
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2017, 8:48 PM
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Agreed. Windows large enough to cover the entire space around the current windows would be a dramtic improvement without even recladding the exterior.
The challenge is enlarging the windows like that would effectively amount of recladding the building. To complicate the issue, the MLLC plan had talked of consolidating the remaining medical offices onto fewer floors. The minimalistic windows were seeming done with the occupants being medical examination rooms to needing minimal windows to protect privacy. If maintaining some medical office space is still a goal you could say have half the building with the large residential windows and balconies and the other half maintain the status quo. Given unlimited funds in might make more sense to build a shorter purpose built addition on the parking lot and get the medical offices as low as possible and rework the higher floors and fit it all together with the new addition.

Another idea would be to rework the Medical Arts building to incorporate the Winnipeg Clinic and then do a redevelopment of the Winnipeg Clinic site. The Manitoba Clinic looks positively "young" compared to the Winnipeg Clinic!
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