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Old Posted Sep 5, 2018, 11:26 PM
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So, the tricky part is, a statute in the state of Ohio has to be treated as constitutional, until it is deemed not. So, getting it dismissed is hard because it's untested so they will treat is as constitutional until they run it through it's paces. I think you'll see a settlement in the next month though.
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2018, 3:32 AM
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If the MLS wants a team in Austin, they can grant Precourt an expansion team if the legal issues are enough to stop it.
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2018, 3:43 AM
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If the MLS wants a team in Austin, they can grant Precourt an expansion team if the legal issues are enough to stop it.
Ain't going to happen. Why would he abandon the playoff team he has built over the past five years to spend up to two years in compiling a totally new one? Plus, can you imagine the shitfire that would be created should the MLS waive his $150 million expansion franchise fee - cause you know he's not going to pay for one!
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2018, 4:13 AM
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Ain't going to happen. Why would he abandon the playoff team he has built over the past five years to spend up to two years in compiling a totally new one? Plus, can you imagine the shitfire that would be created should the MLS waive his $150 million expansion franchise fee - cause you know he's not going to pay for one!
It's a card they have, and they wouldn't need to waive the fee. The law says he has to put the team up for sale for 6 months to see if a local buyer will purchase them. If he is somehow legally forced to comply with that, and it sells, the sale will ensure the $150M expansion franchise fee. If someone doesn't buy the team in 6 months, he's clear to move the existing franchise. Either way, Austin gets a team if the MLS wants it.
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The law says he has to put the team up for sale for 6 months to see if a local buyer will purchase them.
No. That is not the "law." The "law" does not force him to sell anything. It states (and I'm paraphrasing) that said owner must give six months notice of intent to move and allow local investors to supply bids to purchase the team. Absolutely nowhere does it "force the sale" of the team. Also, the team is owned by the MLS and PSV is considered an investor-operator in the league (having purchased the right to manage/operate the Crew). So, that muddies the water a bit.

Additionally, the Columbus Crew was given a 2017 valuation of $130 million.
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2018, 4:35 PM
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Ain't going to happen. Why would he abandon the playoff team he has built over the past five years to spend up to two years in compiling a totally new one? Plus, can you imagine the shitfire that would be created should the MLS waive his $150 million expansion franchise fee - cause you know he's not going to pay for one!
Doubtful we'd be getting all of the current players. Perhaps a majority if this happens in 2019, but any longer than that and contracts would expire, etc. Zack Steffan for one has been eying a European move.
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2018, 5:55 PM
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No. That is not the "law." The "law" does not force him to sell anything. It states (and I'm paraphrasing) that said owner must give six months notice of intent to move and allow local investors to supply bids to purchase the team. Absolutely nowhere does it "force the sale" of the team.
I don't know where you got "force the sale" from my post, I never said that.

I said forced to comply with the law, which means giving the 6 months notice and allowing a local entity to purchase the team. That's the "Art Modell" law.

We are both paraphrasing it, of course. And accurately.

Although I don't know why Precourt wouldn't have immediately given notice when he first proposed the news. Maybe that counts. That would have been May/June right? So 6 months would have been over before 2019 anyway.
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2018, 7:28 PM
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This law is a complete joke.

For one, I'm not sure the crew have actually run afoul of it. The stadium was financed privately and not taxing the stadium hardly seems like it fits the strict legal definition of the modell law.

The parking lot around the stadium isn't owned by the team at all, its part of the fair grounds and has other use.

And the entire law has to run afoul of interstate commerce protections.

It's dumb. I get that you don't want to lose a team, and I certainly am not entirely ok with how this went down, but this is America and you can't force a business owner to stay where they don't want to be. Now, if they are breaking some kind of contract, sue for damages but trying to force a business to operate at the states discretion and not the owner/operators is really dumb.
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This law is a complete joke.

For one, I'm not sure the crew have actually run afoul of it. The stadium was financed privately and not taxing the stadium hardly seems like it fits the strict legal definition of the modell law.

The parking lot around the stadium isn't owned by the team at all, its part of the fair grounds and has other use.

And the entire law has to run afoul of interstate commerce protections.

It's dumb. I get that you don't want to lose a team, and I certainly am not entirely ok with how this went down, but this is America and you can't force a business owner to stay where they don't want to be. Now, if they are breaking some kind of contract, sue for damages but trying to force a business to operate at the states discretion and not the owner/operators is really dumb.
^^what Stooge said ^^
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Best case scenario: Austin gets our team and Columbus gets an expansion team. Then, we have a heated rivalry.
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Best case scenario: Austin gets our team and Columbus gets an expansion team. Then, we have a heated rivalry.
It really would make for a wonderful rivalry. Can you imagine traveling to Columbus as an away fan, wearing Austin F.C. colors.
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Best case scenario: Austin gets our team and Columbus gets an expansion team. Then, we have a heated rivalry.
The flaw here is that the MLS doesn’t want Columbus because it’s not a good market. Don’t see how they award a franchise to a place they publicly don’t want to be. A new team doesn’t fix the underlying financial issues.
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The flaw here is that the MLS doesn’t want Columbus because it’s not a good market. Don’t see how they award a franchise to a place they publicly don’t want to be. A new team doesn’t fix the underlying financial issues.
In fact it exasperates the issues. The Crew had some success on the field if not the stands, and starting over with new players and limited team chemistry for perhaps years will not improve their play or attendance. I'm not aware of reading anywhere that the MLS doesn't want Columbus, only that Precourt doesn't want to be there. I think MLS is intrigued with Austin. As far as the possibility of a rivalry between the two cities, it could take years for an expansion team to become competitive. And as far as I can tell, soccer is really not a contact sport, except in the stands. Perhaps that's where the rivalry would be.
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It's been over two weeks since the "hearing" in Ohio. Did the judge indicate when he might make a ruling?
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Old Posted Sep 19, 2018, 12:58 AM
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It's been over two weeks since the "hearing" in Ohio. Did the judge indicate when he might make a ruling?
No time soon. This is either going to have to be a negotiated deal or PSV is going to have to find a way to get it out of an Ohio courtroom.
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No time soon. This is either going to have to be a negotiated deal or PSV is going to have to find a way to get it out of an Ohio courtroom.
He's elected to. He has zero incentive to put a bow on this. That said, if PSV moves the team and an injunction gets filed they could appeal and get it out of Columbus.

I also wonder if the state doesn't have a vested interest in a face saving negotion instead of testing the law and having it declared unconstitutional.
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