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Old Posted Apr 8, 2018, 8:06 PM
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Don't think it's fair to just scoff them off as "still low density and not walkable" and just leave it at that. Compared to Quebec style suburbs they are still superior in both regards and that obviously has its benefits. Even if someone wanted to walk around their own neighbourhood, I personally do this all the time, how do you do that with no sidewalks anywhere? In the winter I don't think you could even attempt it whereas people in my hood do it year round because there are sidewalks.
you don't need sidewalks to take a walk, even during the winter. people are not afraid to get hit by a car. Most of the accidents involving a pedestrian happen on the island of Montréal where the density of population is a lot higher.
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There is no excuse for not having sidewalks in a residential area, at least on one side of the stret. This is simply not acceptable. I wonder if the new developments in the suburbs of Montreal still don’t have any sidewalks though.
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There is no excuse for not having sidewalks. I wonder if the new developments in the suburbs of Montreal still don’t have any sidewalks though.
the sidewalks are only found in some ''high'' density streets (neighbourhoods). multiplex
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I love your kitchen and most of the other rooms, as well as the general layout of the house, but I think they (or you, as the case may be ) really cheaped out on the woodwork. Both the baseboards and door casings would be wider by at least 1", if I'd been in charge of picking them. I'm also not a fan at all of those tiny corner blocks with a round motif in their center - I don't think it's a design that suits modern houses.

How much are you selling it for? Hope you get your price
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The oak trim clashes pretty badly with the rest of the finishes in the house. The width is definitely an upgrade over the standard finishes I've seen


Did the developer do the built ins or were they custom? The diamond window in the dining room is interesting too.
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All custom. House was pretty cookie cutter when purchased. All white faux oak cabinets and mint green paint. Every where!
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With all the tower lovers here, I'm surprised there's only one other mention of a condo!

I agree that the negatives of dense 905-style sprawl vs east-coast sprawl outweigh the positives. It's like depriving a 800 pound guy of his delicious food and throwing him into a padded room with an IV drip just to keep him at 400 pounds.

Sidewalks are a modern affectation, enforce separation of uses, goes against the urban experience, and are useless in suburbia. Out there it's just more impervious surface to maintain for basically no one.
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Just more impervious surface to maintain for basically no one.
yes and sidewalks are made of concrete and when you live in a low-density residential neighbourhood, the less concrete the better. I would go even further than that, streets curbs feel too urban for my taste.
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dleung writes, and homer GreaterMontreal agrees, that "no one" uses them, yet I live in what would be considered a suburban neighbourhood and people are constantly walking by on the sidewalk, including a lot of elderly people with dogs who I can assure you would not be comfortable walking down a road. Could you imagine walking an unpredictable dog down a road without sidewalks?

There is one street in my neighborhood that doesn't have a sidewalk and the GF never walk down it for that reason. It's simply too uncomfortable having cars drive by you, even if there aren't many, with no separation. This only compounds in the winter if conditions aren't the best. Beyond that you just feel out of place.

I've seen some silly arguments on here but being against sidewalks in suburbia is a new one.
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Being against sidewalks in suburbia is an argument that I've been hearing more and more from urbanists, but I don't see myself ever agreeing. Even on a quiet road, there's always some level of anxiety (for me at least) that a car could swerve into me if I'm walking on the side of a road. Being separated means feeling safer.

Honestly not sure why the idea of physical separation of modes has started to fall out of favour. Seems to be because it makes it easier to drive too. But so what? If being separated makes cycling and walking more pleasant as well, I'm all for it. Separation is awesome.
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I live on a residential bay in an 80s suburbia neighbourhood. It doesn't have a sidewalk and while this irritates me, I wouldn't be banging the drum for the city to build one as I can live without the extra taxes being assessed for that particular improvement.

There is no through foot traffic on my street as it's a bay, but there's still a decent amount of pedestrian traffic from dog walkers, people getting mail from the community mailbox and kids on the street.
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The goal should be sidewalks on at least one side of the street even in low density suburban areas IMO, but there are other design cues that help. Some of the older 1930s to 1950s gridded street areas in Ontario with narrow streets that lack sidewalks aren't actually that bad. For the sole reason that traffic is minimal and the road is narrow enough that cars are forced to go slow. These were usually built outside the city at the time with drainage ditches instead of storm sewers (and gradually being upgraded).

Thinking of areas like this:

https://goo.gl/maps/phC8kWddQfE2
https://goo.gl/maps/grfDJ7UGGyJ2
https://goo.gl/maps/HTFM9WzQi212
https://goo.gl/maps/Hbo5wC5irpQ2

The addition of sidewalks would be preferable but it's worlds of difference from stuff like this (the side streets in these areas don't seem as bad at least):

https://goo.gl/maps/SdGDYvgEeyj
https://goo.gl/maps/SdGDYvgEeyj
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Wow those Quebec examples are terrible. Driving lane, bike lane, parking. Literally nowhere you can walk.

And I don't know, obviously it could be worse than those Toronto examples you showed, but those straight roads with no cars parked on the side...I could totally see cars ripping down them still. I'm not saying walking with no sidewalk is the end of the world, just that I think it's always better to have one. The idea that cars will drive slower without sidewalks is feasible, but if there are only a handful of people walking a day, as is often the case in those neighbourhoods, there's nothing stopping them from treating it like any other street.
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The goal should be sidewalks on at least one side of the street even in low density suburban areas IMO, but there are other design cues that help. Some of the older 1930s to 1950s gridded street areas in Ontario with narrow streets that lack sidewalks aren't actually that bad. For the sole reason that traffic is minimal and the road is narrow enough that cars are forced to go slow. These were usually built outside the city at the time with drainage ditches instead of storm sewers (and gradually being upgraded).

Thinking of areas like this:

https://goo.gl/maps/phC8kWddQfE2
https://goo.gl/maps/grfDJ7UGGyJ2
https://goo.gl/maps/HTFM9WzQi212
https://goo.gl/maps/Hbo5wC5irpQ2

The addition of sidewalks would be preferable but it's worlds of difference from stuff like this (the side streets in these areas don't seem as bad at least):

https://goo.gl/maps/SdGDYvgEeyj
https://goo.gl/maps/SdGDYvgEeyj
really nice neighbourhood with no street curbs. we have plenty of those in Quebec
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I prefer sidewalks, though my street has none. There are quite a few people who walk on my street by my house in all seasons as it leads to a bus stop on an arterial right at the corner where I live. The arterial has sidewalks (concrete) plus an asphalt raised bike track.

In fairness though most single-use residential streets in Europe (THE reference on SSP) don't have sidewalks and many don't even have curbs.

I have friends who live not too far from here:

https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Imp...91!4d5.7565573
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Old Posted Apr 10, 2018, 7:57 PM
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Wow those Quebec examples are terrible. Driving lane, bike lane, parking. Literally nowhere you can walk.

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Judging from the buildings, those examples look to be about 20-25 years old.

Street design has changed a bit since then in Quebec, and more recent (built in the past 5-10 years) boulevards of this type will generally look like this in suburban areas adjacent to the major cities:

https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.47548...7i13312!8i6656
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Don't think it's fair to just scoff them off as "still low density and not walkable" and just leave it at that. Compared to Quebec style suburbs they are still superior in both regards and that obviously has its benefits. Even if someone wanted to walk around their own neighbourhood, I personally do this all the time, how do you do that with no sidewalks anywhere? In the winter I don't think you could even attempt it whereas people in my hood do it year round because there are sidewalks.
I think lio had this in mind, which someone posted on SSP recently:

https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.56960...7i13312!8i6656


This is arguably the worst of both worlds. So you live more tightly packed than inner city Torontonians in Parkdale, but your local retail environment and community meeting place is still this:

https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.57101...7i13312!8i6656
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So if my retail/community space environment is going to look like that above (as it does in many places) anyway, I'd much rather my house and street look like this:

https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Rue...9!4d-75.736155
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