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Old Posted Jun 8, 2018, 5:43 PM
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This is somewhat good news considering the lowered expectation level.

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Doug Ford says he stands with PM in U.S. trade dispute
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do you think the US will pull out of the G7?

sounds like Trump left early and wasn't impressed. He "blasted" Trudeau in 2 tweets, which i can't be bothered to look for again. Interesting times.
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do you think the US will pull out of the G7?

sounds like Trump left early and wasn't impressed. He "blasted" Trudeau in 2 tweets, which i can't be bothered to look for again. Interesting times.
I suppose it could be his version of negotiating tactics, but Trump is seeming a bit unhinged (i.e. even more than usual). Maybe it's what he wants the North Koreans to think ....
     
     
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I suppose it could be his version of negotiating tactics, but Trump is seeming a bit unhinged (i.e. even more than usual). Maybe it's what he wants the North Koreans to think ....
Do you think this meeting will actually happen? I'd love to see it succeed just so we can see Kim Jong-Un, Dennis Rodman and Trump golf at Mar-a-Lago. Sadly, we'll likely miss seeing Rodman involved in nuclear weapons negotiations.
     
     
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Do you think this meeting will actually happen? I'd love to see it succeed just so we can see Kim Jong-Un, Dennis Rodman and Trump golf at Mar-a-Lago. Sadly, we'll likely miss seeing Rodman involved in nuclear weapons negotiations.
One prays that it succeeds, although I have no idea what will constitute "success". Although Trump would never come out of a meeting claiming that he was anything other than successful, istm.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2018, 4:06 AM
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This has got to be the picture of the year so far.




Trump against the world. He's got all the mannerisms of a child wanting to take his ball home with him.
     
     
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The photo of the hotel owned by Trump's grandfather was actually a brothel. "Donald Trump's grandfather ran Canadian brothel during gold rush" http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/trump-...ukon-1.3235254
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2018, 4:12 AM
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they always pick the most unflattering pics of Trump, it must kill him.



G7 unity torpedoed by angry Trump tweets dismissing Trudeau as 'dishonest & weak'
U.S. president threatens again to impose auto tariffs moments after PM's closing news conference
John Paul Tasker · CBC News · Posted: Jun 09, 2018

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This just in, in case there was any doubt: Trump is a stupid, vile, malevolent motherfucking jackass.

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As the trade minister, Chrystia Freeland, has pointed out, trade data flatly contradicts the claim that Canadian supply management is ravaging US dairyland – either because it unfairly restricts imports or because it dumps a subsidized surplus in US markets. In 2016, Canada imported dairy products from the US worth five times more than the small amount it exported there. “I would call that a pretty good deal,” she told the House of Commons.

Canadian farmers point out that despite the tariffs that protect them, imports make up 10% of the country’s dairy consumption. By contrast, the US restricts dairy imports to 3% of domestic consumption. “That just screams hypocrisy to me,” Muirhead said. “I don’t understand how they can get away with these positions.”

As a recent visitor to Wisconsin, “America’s Dairyland”, where low prices are forcing the closure of hundreds of dairy farms a year, Muirhead said he encountered no resentment against Canada among local farmers. “The president of the Wisconsin Farmers Union told me that what they really wanted was a supply-managed system like ours,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/co...a-us-trade-war
I will be pissed off if Trudeau caves to Trump on dairy.
     
     
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I will be pissed off if Trudeau caves to Trump on dairy.
I take it as a given that we will, perhaps by ramping up U.S. dairy imports (as we did with the Europeans) rather than killing the supply management regime entirely. I don't see what else we have to bargain with to get the USA to back down on a sunset clause.
     
     
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I will be pissed off if Trudeau caves to Trump on dairy.
Why? It would be a win for all sides. Canadians would enjoy lower prices and better selection, Trump can claim a meaningless trade victory and the Liberals can blame the fallout from the curiously powerful dairy lobby on Trump. Canada should also cave on telecom competition, media ownership and air travel restrictions.
     
     
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I take it as a given that we will, perhaps by ramping up U.S. dairy imports (as we did with the Europeans) rather than killing the supply management regime entirely. I don't see what else we have to bargain with to get the USA to back down on the sunset clause.
I mean that I don't want our supply management system compromised. But I wonder if there wouldn't be a backlash against US milk appearing in our supermarket chillers anyway? Do you think Canadians would get all nationalistic about the milk and butter they buy?
     
     
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I mean that I don't want our supply management system compromised. But I wonder if there wouldn't be a backlash against US milk appearing in our supermarket chillers anyway? Do you think Canadians would get all nationalistic about the milk and butter they buy?
I think this is a time when all Canadians should be looking very carefully at where all the products they buy are produced/manufactured. Many are not aware, I suspect, that some leading brands of paper products are made in the USA while others are made in Canada, just to give an everyday example. The list of U.S. products that will be subject to retaliatory tariffs should be made known to all to help guide them in their purchasing decisions, come July.

As for a backlash, it is quite possible, especially with the powerful lobbying interests that will be trying to defend the status quo. There is a lot of money at stake.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2018, 4:36 AM
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Why? It would be a win for all sides. Canadians would enjoy lower prices and better selection, Trump can claim a meaningless trade victory and the Liberals can blame the fallout from the curiously powerful dairy lobby on Trump. Canada should also cave on telecom competition, media ownership and air travel restrictions.
It would not be a "win for all sides." From that article:

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As a recent visitor to Wisconsin, “America’s Dairyland”, where low prices are forcing the closure of hundreds of dairy farms a year, Muirhead said he encountered no resentment against Canada among local farmers. “The president of the Wisconsin Farmers Union told me that what they really wanted was a supply-managed system like ours,” he said.

Dairy deregulation has spread hardship wherever it has been implemented, Muirhead added. “Every single objective indicator says that in the case of dairy you cannot have a system that operates without production controls,” he said. “If you try, you’re basically consigning your farmers to a life of penury – or worse.”
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These groups also argue that by several measures, Canadian retail dairy prices are competitive. An analysis by the Dairy Farmers of Ontario shows that New Zealand has the highest retail price, at $5.69, for a four-litre size package of milk. That was followed by Ontario at $4.66, Britain at $3.57 and the U.S. at $3.38.

"So, when you compare honestly, Canadians pay fair retail prices, Canadian dairy farmers get a fair share and the Canadian government does not subsidize milk a penny," says Bill Mitchell, a spokesman for the organization. "That's why Canada is keeping its milk marketing system - because it works."

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Why? It would be a win for all sides. Canadians would enjoy lower prices and better selection, Trump can claim a meaningless trade victory and the Liberals can blame the fallout from the curiously powerful dairy lobby on Trump. Canada should also cave on telecom competition, media ownership and air travel restrictions.
I agree. A lot of people in this country would be very happy. No more protecting the chicken guys either.
     
     
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It would not be a "win for all sides." From that article:



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No, it's an archaic communist style system that anyone with an ounce of objectivity can see needs to die. There's nothing special about the dairy industry that says they need special treatment and shouldn't get fair market value for their product.

That article you posted disagrees with your position and explains what a crappy system it is. You selectively quoted the only part of it which appears to back you up, yet is only a dairy spokesman saying 'one other country has higher prices than us, and the US and UK have much lower prices'.

Give Trump this one, for the good of Canadians. I'm fed up of paying stupid prices for shitty Canadian cheese.
     
     
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I mean that I don't want our supply management system compromised. But I wonder if there wouldn't be a backlash against US milk appearing in our supermarket chillers anyway? Do you think Canadians would get all nationalistic about the milk and butter they buy?
Avalon dairies here in the Lower Mainland sells milk in Glass bottles, generally it is regarded as a premium product relative to regular milk.

Avalon also packages into plastic containers and exports quite a bit of milk to China where the local food chain is not all that trusted. You have to do something with all the aircraft cargo space on house flights heading back to China.

If the US is going to be a problem, lets focus on building markets in China and India.
     
     
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Avalon dairies here in the Lower Mainland sells milk in Glass bottles, generally it is regarded as a premium product relative to regular milk.

Avalon also packages into plastic containers and exports quite a bit of milk to China where the local food chain is not all that trusted. You have to do something with all the aircraft cargo space on house flights heading back to China.

If the US is going to be a problem, lets focus on building markets in China and India.
It's the typical inward facing Canadian small minded thinking. Just protect our own industries in the local market and overcharge Canadians, rather than efficiently producing a good product they can sell to the world.

Look at the list of the largest companies in the TSX. Not a single one isn't some sort of government protected corporation, bank, monopoly or a resource company. It's pathetic.
     
     
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I’ll take some popcorn to watch Trudeau lose the election in 2019...its gonna be fun

Btw, it’s back to work for all the Ontario business people finally.

Government handouts for the purpose of virtue signalling are done.

The alt left minorities are done getting their way.... the tides have turned.

Alberta will done with the socialist NDP soon enough. And probably B.C

Canada is going to be great again.... the populist wave is just beginning in Canada.

Meanwhile down south....

3.8% unemployment, economy running the best it has in 50 Years, women and minorities have more opportunity than ever.

Calling out countries that are taking advantage of them.

Trying to curb illegal immigration, dealing with N Korea for a proper nuclear deal.

Destroyed most of ISIS..... and he does it all while still being entertaining and sticking to his campaign promises.
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