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Old Posted Feb 15, 2019, 8:29 PM
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Idk about that. LA is a big city, and god knows we get tons of crap that looks like the stuff pictured in the first post, or even worse!

Little Tokyo in DTLA:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0501...7i13312!8i6656

Palms:
https://urbanize.la/post/rendering-v...alt-apartments

https://urbanize.la/post/roy-overland-nears-finish-line

There has been some quality infill built in LA recently too, of course. But we get wayyy too much of the shitty stucco box wrapping or on top of a garage.
Didn't you guys have the Mother of all Fires at the site of one of these mega block stick built projects on the northern edge of downtown LA a few years back. So much for "fireproof" wooden construction.

https://www.google.com/search?q=imag...LkwEzkkPiHKrM:
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2019, 9:18 PM
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of course i understand what it means and how precious it is. its why im a staunch advocate for preservation/restoration and am fully cognizant of what a colossal waste it is to throw Victorian and Craftsman era buildings in the dumpster. we need new housing, but wed need far less if our culture actually maintained what we currently have and didnt discriminate against buildings more than 30-40 years old.
Absolutely agree. It's a shame we are so shortsighted when it comes to progress. Every day there's several serviceable old buildings here that are torn down to make way for townhouses...and we had relatively few to begin with. With respect to these new buildings, at least they promote density and here in Houston, they are an upgrade to whatever they replaced. Usually beat up strip centers or apartments.
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Didn't you guys have the Mother of all Fires at the site of one of these mega block stick built projects on the northern edge of downtown LA a few years back. So much for "fireproof" wooden construction.
They regularly burn down while under construction. Several have burned in Oakland and at least 2 I recall in San Francisco. The reasons are varied. Some have probably been arson (set by fire bugs or, in at least one case, a NIMBY activist). Others may have been caused by the activities of construction which involved welding, soldering and brazing copper pipes among other uses of fire--if sparks fly and smoulder and aren't noticed, they can turn into a major blaze after everyone has left for the day. Recall that even though fire alarms/smoke detectors are required in all multifamily construction these days and sprinklers in much of it, those systems won't yet have been activated at the point in construction where these fires happen.
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Absolutely agree. It's a shame we are so shortsighted when it comes to progress. Every day there's several serviceable old buildings here that are torn down to make way for townhouses...and we had relatively few to begin with. With respect to these new buildings, at least they promote density and here in Houston, they are an upgrade to whatever they replaced. Usually beat up strip centers or apartments.
Move to SF. We have all manner of designated landmarked buildings including laundromats and car garages of no particular architectural distinction. It's one of the most effective ways NIMBYs block new projects: Get whatever's there landmarked.

This circa 1924 laundromat:


Google streetview

stopped this 75 units apartment building:


https://sf.curbed.com/2018/2/14/1701...historic-ronen
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2019, 5:06 AM
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I'm guessing this has something to do with whether or not a given city has adopted ICC/IBC code (Chicago hasn't). It's hardly surprising that if the same materials are available nationwide, in cities with similar zoning codes and practically identical building codes, that these buildings wouldn't all trend towards a lowest common denominator.
IBC is part of it for sure, most of these apartment buildings are “podium construction” referring to a wood frame over a non combustible first floor (usually poured concrete or precast plank) containing parking and sometimes retail.

Or on larger sites they are Texas wrap designs where a multilevel parking garage occupies the center of a block, surrounded by firewalls and then a ring of apartments around the perimeter.

Chicago building code doesn’t allow the podium design and we don’t really have blocks big enough for the Texas wrap, so our new apartment blocks do look a little different. However, all the posted examples are TODs with little or no parking. Getting the parking requirement eliminated gives developers and architects a whole world of flexibility to design and build whatever massings on all different shapes of site. It also sometimes frees up some budget room for more expensive cladding systems that look better and age more gracefully.
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