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Old Posted Nov 9, 2018, 6:16 PM
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how hard would it be for all those rolsyn cres houses to be re-developed? kind of surprising more haven't.
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Either Augustus had a previous wife or he liked to marry young as it appears his 36 year old wife has a 23 year old daughter. Common at the time?

Also, what does a Lodger do and why would a 9 year old be doing it (unless those numbers mean something else).
He was married in 1886, but his first wife died due to complications from childbirth in 1887. That child survived though, and is the daughter named aged 23. He married his second wife in 1894. She was 13 or 14 years his junior and they had six children together.

A lodger is a renter. It appears that the lodgers would be a single widowed mother and her child. They may have been relations or perhaps family of staff. A single mother in her 40s would have extreme difficulty at the time raising a child and would either have to find a man (usually a much older widower) to support her, work in a very low paying occupation that would provide a meager existence or make a living bootlegging or providing other "services".

During and after WWI there was massive inflation and increases in labour costs. Even by the early 1920s the estate would have been too costly to maintain. House sizes shrunk by half as modern technologies made domestic help largely redundant. By the 1930s the value was in the land only. Property is only worth as much as someone is prepared to pay for it. A large number of McMansions from the 1990s and 2000s may see the same fate.

The Nantons may have been unlucky with their investments, perhaps they lost it all after '29, but it would appear that the family fortune had disappeared by 1935. Mrs. Nanton probably sold low to the highest bidder. Housing prices in the mid 30s were lower than they had been 20 years prior. Biographies of the children suggest that they ended up having a very middle class existence as one of the sons was employed by the family firm, in a middle management position.
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2018, 8:44 PM
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how hard would it be for all those rolsyn cres houses to be re-developed? kind of surprising more haven't.
There's actually a large brand-new house that was just built right in the middle of the crescent, it's pretty huge.
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Either Augustus had a previous wife or he liked to marry young as it appears his 36 year old wife has a 23 year old daughter. Common at the time?

Also, what does a Lodger do and why would a 9 year old be doing it (unless those numbers mean something else).
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from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition

  • n. One that lodges, especially one who rents and lives in a furnished room.
from Wiktionary, Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License

  • n. A person who lodges in another's house (compare tenant).
So in this case, the whirly girly you speak of must have been a tenant of the mansion at the time.
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2018, 9:32 PM
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The Nantons may have been unlucky with their investments, perhaps they lost it all after '29, but it would appear that the family fortune had disappeared by 1935. Mrs. Nanton probably sold low to the highest bidder. Housing prices in the mid 30s were lower than they had been 20 years prior. Biographies of the children suggest that they ended up having a very middle class existence as one of the sons was employed by the family firm, in a middle management position.
There was the late broadcaster Gus Nanton, who was CKND's first news anchor in the 1970s. "Gus" would have been short for "Augustus", most likely. I see his sister died just this past summer as well and his brother, an executive with GWL, just a few years ago as well. They all remained in Winnipeg.
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There was the late broadcaster Gus Nanton, who was CKND's first news anchor in the 1970s. "Gus" would have been short for "Augustus", most likely. I see his sister died just this past summer as well and his brother, an executive with GWL, just a few years ago as well. They all remained in Winnipeg.
Interesting. I checked the 1965 Henderson Directory, and one of A.M. Nanton's sons, Edward Augustus (b. 1901) was listed as living at 452 Brock Street and worked as a salesman at CE Simonite Ltd., a real estate firm. A respectable but comparatively modest existence.

I don't think there are many of Winnipeg's pre-1914 wealthy establishment families (the "19 Millionaires" etc.) who held onto wealth and status through the 20th century. The Rileys, who first came here in the 1880s, are an exception that comes to mind.
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He was married in 1886, but his first wife died due to complications from childbirth in 1887. That child survived though, and is the daughter named aged 23. He married his second wife in 1894. She was 13 or 14 years his junior and they had six children together.

A lodger is a renter. It appears that the lodgers would be a single widowed mother and her child. They may have been relations or perhaps family of staff. A single mother in her 40s would have extreme difficulty at the time raising a child and would either have to find a man (usually a much older widower) to support her, work in a very low paying occupation that would provide a meager existence or make a living bootlegging or providing other "services".

During and after WWI there was massive inflation and increases in labour costs. Even by the early 1920s the estate would have been too costly to maintain. House sizes shrunk by half as modern technologies made domestic help largely redundant. By the 1930s the value was in the land only. Property is only worth as much as someone is prepared to pay for it. A large number of McMansions from the 1990s and 2000s may see the same fate.

The Nantons may have been unlucky with their investments, perhaps they lost it all after '29, but it would appear that the family fortune had disappeared by 1935. Mrs. Nanton probably sold low to the highest bidder. Housing prices in the mid 30s were lower than they had been 20 years prior. Biographies of the children suggest that they ended up having a very middle class existence as one of the sons was employed by the family firm, in a middle management position.
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So in this case, the whirly girly you speak of must have been a tenant of the mansion at the time.
After Im posted, when I said the word out loud, I immediately realized what it meant lol I was thinking "occupation" as I read the list.
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That circular radiator is awesome. Wonder if it was salvaged sometime along the way.
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seen a few around the city in garages and such
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A pretty important event:

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^ The Bank of Hamilton was fully renovated and turned into space for civic offices not long after that. But The Bank of Commerce is still drifting without a real purpose. I wish it could be turned back into a banking hall or corporate office instead of a banquet hall used a couple times a week at most as it currently is.
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i always thought the main domed hall area would make an amazing hotel lobby if they were to reno/tack a new structure to the CIBC building.. kinda like the how the westin minneapolis is an old bank.... gorgeous lobby. anyway, back to the real world lol
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Nothing you haven't seen before, but an interesting photo of Main Street ca. 1912, more or less the peak of the boom years, when nothing seemed impossible. The urban vitality really jumps off the photo...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/951304...in/dateposted/
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Nothing you haven't seen before, but an interesting photo of Main Street ca. 1912, more or less the peak of the boom years, when nothing seemed impossible. The urban vitality really jumps off the photo...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/951304...in/dateposted/
i find the hand painted lights in that picture super charming
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i find the hand painted lights in that picture super charming
Creating images of night scenes that weren’t too murky was a challenge, so many enhancement techniques were invented. This photo was taken by John Gibson, an Iowan who spent about 10 years in Winnipeg before relocating to Saskatoon where he operated a well-known photography business that existed until quite recently.
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You can see both the Condederation Life Building and the Union Trust Building are still under construction, which puts this in the late summer of 1912, I believe.
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What might have been - the historical report for the Bay (Feb 12 meeting of the Historical Building committee) had some interesting site plans showing John Atchison's 1912 plan for a Civic Centre and Mall leading to the new Provincial Legislature building. Of course, this was not the plan that was eventually adopted.

In the image below, HBC was expected to be the twin buildings shown two blocks north of Broadway.


Another view, this one from 1913 and showing the approach to the leg.
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434 Assiniboine Avenue, Winnipeg

Hello,
Old guy here who revels in Winnipeg’s history, and especially in its architectural history. That includes commercial buildings and homes. Enjoy taking photos of these buildings, and digging to find a bit more of the ‘people history’ associated. A recent photo walk in the neighbourhood south of Broadway and west of the provincial legislature fetched a photo of 434 Assiniboine Avenue. In its prime this was home to Lauchlan Alexander Hamilton - a key figure and CPR Senior Land Commissioner, and Surveyor with direct historical connections to Winnipeg, Estevan and Vancouver, among others. Am trying to learn a bit more about this home. There was once some information but it seems the URLs have ceased to be - some of those originating with the City of Winnipeg. Am out of ideas at this point. Anyone able to offer advice...?
Thank you for reading this.
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