The Manitoba Provincial Politics Discussion

[wardlow]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t like it either when those who have done nothing dumb end up having to foot the bill for the other group, but systemic sterilization makes me feel like I’m in Nazi Germany.

Eugenics was a very popular idea among many smart circles in the 20th century, notably among idealistic democratic socialists and Methodist do-gooders on the Canadian prairies. For example, progressive deity Tommy Douglas published his masters thesis, The Problems of the Subnormal Family, on the subject in 1933, the same year a certain party came to power in Germany.

Edit: I should add so there is no misunderstanding, before this conversation is all cleared away, that I believe eugenics was and is a wholly evil idea, and I don't believe it is a road Canada should ever go down no matter what level of social dysfunction or impoverished misery there is. I only meant to point out its historic context; that it was an idea championed by many well-meaning progressives in this country.

[Luisito]

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[VANRIDERFAN]

According to a story in the Globe and Mail, the baby was returned to the mother.

[vid]

Indigenous newborn taken by authorities to be returned to family this week


Nancy Macdonald
VANCOUVER
Published 23 hours ago
Updated January 14, 2019


An Indigenous newborn taken from her mother just hours after birth in an apprehension broadcast live on Facebook is expected to be back home with her family later this week, an advocate for the family says.

The infant has spent the five days since in an emergency placement with either a foster family or at a Winnipeg infant shelter where staff feed and change many of the newborns apprehended into care in the province, Cora Morgan, the First Nations Family Advocate at the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs said in an interview on Monday.

Ms. Morgan said the care of the child will be returned to her mother and her great-aunt on Wednesday.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...o-family-this/

[dmacc]

Originally Posted by EdwardTH

Except you haven't been talking about people voluntarily getting sterilized, you've been talking about mandatory sterilization for those who are considered a drain on society. Do you really wanna live somewhere where a nanny state gets to decide who is "fit" to have kids and who isn't? What other major life decisions do you think the state should make on people's behalf? Maybe the government should tell you where you have to live and what to do for a living as well? How does that sound Castro?

Here is something for your debate. Instead of forced sterilization which is against many human rights. The government may be able to justify the case of making a requirement to obtaining social assistance be that you must accept contraception to be on the program with the government bearing the cost. Women can get the shot or an IUD and men a reversible vasectomy. Once the individual no longer requires social assistance the contraception is reversed again with the government bearing the costs associated with the procedure. In this case you could argue that nothing is permanent and that the individual makes the choice of there own free will.

The ethics of this are definitely something to be debated but to call it racist is unfair. Poverty can affect anyone regardless of race, it just happens to disproportionately affect Indigenous people. It also disproportionately affects people with disabilities whether physical or mental.

I'd reserve judgement on the issue until hearing more but this is a fascinating topic. Is it ethical to expect someones ability to have children be tied to their ability to look after themselves financially and in turn their children?

[Luisito]

Class-action lawyer told of 2 coerced sterilizations of Indigenous women in Manitoba

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...suit-1.4904421

[cheswick]

Red tape and your government: How cutting bureaucracy boosted Manitoba's growth

Manitoba Premier Brian Pallister: By working with businesses, communities and non-profits, we lessened the headaches for everyone

This is Red-Tape Awareness Week, created by the Canadian Federation of Independent Business. This is the first of two columns looking at how regulatory burdens from all three levels of government impede the ability to run a successful business and hurt the country’s economy.

Throughout my time in politics, no systemic issue has been so often overlooked by governments of all stripes and levels as red tape. Despite countless reports highlighting the negative social and economic effects of ineffective policies and processes, most governments appear to believe that the best and only solution to an issue is new rules. In Manitoba, we’ve taken a different approach that is better for our economy and our citizens

Full opinion piece: https://business.financialpost.com/o...nitobas-growth

[pspeid]

Originally Posted by cheswick

Full opinion piece: https://business.financialpost.com/o...nitobas-growth

Interesting article. While I haven't personally agreed with all the decisions Pallister has made since becoming Premier (and I doubt anyone does) I continue to be pleasantly surprised by his ability to make decisions that seem fairly independent of political dogma, a skill that is all too lacking these days. So far he seems to have avoided the simple "slash-and-burn" across-the-board cutbacks that I feel have marred many of his Conservative counterparts in other provinces. It will be interesting to watch the economy in the future.

[kirkawall]

Originally Posted by cheswick

Red tape and your government: How cutting bureaucracy boosted Manitoba's growth

Manitoba Premier Brian Pallister: By working with businesses, communities and non-profits, we lessened the headaches for everyone

This is Red-Tape Awareness Week, created by the Canadian Federation of Independent Business. This is the first of two columns looking at how regulatory burdens from all three levels of government impede the ability to run a successful business and hurt the country’s economy.

Throughout my time in politics, no systemic issue has been so often overlooked by governments of all stripes and levels as red tape. Despite countless reports highlighting the negative social and economic effects of ineffective policies and processes, most governments appear to believe that the best and only solution to an issue is new rules. In Manitoba, we’ve taken a different approach that is better for our economy and our citizens

Full opinion piece: https://business.financialpost.com/o...nitobas-growth

That is an astonishingly self-serving and dishonest piece from a premier who seems unable to make the most basic funding decisions and is prone to intervening late in processes he has not taken the time to follow and seems not to understand. Ask any of the settlement agencies or funded sectors in MB how the reduction in "red tape" has helped them get a response to detailed CFPs submitted at government request (in some cases years ago) and still unsigned by the government, who are still holding "consultations" in which they are still asking basic questions covered in both the original CFPs and proposals. To replace 'red tape" with incompetence and indecision is no improvement.

[headhorse]

^ it's a straight up propaganda piece. no mention that 2018 was also MB's worst year in the past 5 RE: loss in interprovincial migration and immigration. no actual evidence of results or benefits to the general public just a bunch of right wing think tank buzz words.

[OTA in Winnipeg]

Originally Posted by headhorse

^ it's a straight up propaganda piece. no mention that 2018 was also MB's worst year in the past 5 RE: loss in interprovincial migration and immigration. no actual evidence of results or benefits to the general public just a bunch of right wing think tank buzz words.

Social Workers retiring in droves at the moment before their contract ends March 31. Nursing, hospitals in disarray and Kelvin Goertzen just targeted school trustees. And they don't appear to be far from done. Good luck to you all.

[blueandgoldguy]

As the poster above stated, stats canada released their numbers for 2018 and Manitoba's net interprovincial migration numbers decreased again to over negative 9,000. The numbers have become progressively worse since the conservatives' victory in 2016. It will be interesting to see if these numbers improve or if the negative trajectory continues heading into an election year.

If the negative trends continue, I'm sure it will be a major talking point for the liberal and NDP parties.

[Luisito]

What can Winnipeg do about the Meth crisis? It has been on the news about problems with security in Hospitals. There have been record amounts of needls found on the street. Just this past week there have been may attacks and even three murders related to Meth. WTF is going, why aren't we doing more about this???

https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/officers...hief-1.4331815

https://globalnews.ca/news/5044836/f...goal-says-mla/

There was a murder this morning.
https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/police-o...enue-1.4332235

[esquire]

^ It kind of feels like we've suddenly turned the clock back to the late 90s/early 00s when gang violence, arson and other kinds of mayhem were hitting new lows all the time.

[EdwardTH]

Originally Posted by Luisito

What can Winnipeg do about the Meth crisis? It has been on the news about problems with security in Hospitals. There have been record amounts of needls found on the street. Just this past week there have been may attacks and even three murders related to Meth. WTF is going, why aren't we doing more about this???

https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/officers...hief-1.4331815

https://globalnews.ca/news/5044836/f...goal-says-mla/

There was a murder this morning.
https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/police-o...enue-1.4332235

Apparently the province thinks it's more important to keep adding regulations to cannabis, rather than do something about meth:
https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/manitoba...ions-1.4331813

You know, because of all of those cannabis-related problems we keep reading about in the news....

[bomberjet]

^The Manitoba part is just them falling in line with the Feds. I'm fine with that. Really why should one need more than 30 grams on them out in public?

This is actually surprising to me. You can carry weed on you in public with no problems. Just can't use it or take it in your vehicle, which becomes the issue. The last line has me guessing tough.

Other proposed changes would make it an offence to be in possession of cannabis that isn’t packaged, stamped and labelled in accordance with federal legislations.

So does that mean it has to be sealed in packaging, or just in the packaging. There is a lot of confusion on this topic.

[esquire]

I thought the current provincial government was supposed to be the one that cut through red tape? All they keep doing on the cannabis file is adding more of it.

[bomberjet]

Definitely heavy on the cannabis red tape to the detriment of the product. It sometimes takes many months for product to make it from supplier to the store. Bad for the product. Moisture, or lack of, being the problem.

It's kind of ridiculous that a supplier sells the product to the Province, then has to wait for the Province to doll the same product back out to the store. When the supplier and the store are owned by the same company! The way they have it set up is so independent retailers can join the market. Which makes sense. But there must be a better way.

Although it seems the roll-out in Manitoba has gone better than most other provinces.

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by esquire

I thought the current provincial government was supposed to be the one that cut through red tape? All they keep doing on the cannabis file is adding more of it.

Good point.

[drew]

^ I think this particular red-tape (for cannabis) is more to do with the current MB government's obvious aversion to cannabis legalization in the first place.

They didn't want to do it, I suspect their "base" is of a similar mind set - so because their hand was forced with legalization, they are doing what they can to make it seem like they are being "tough", limiting the ease of use, etc. etc.

They got the sale through private stores right. But beyond that...