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Old Posted Jul 28, 2006, 9:02 PM
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Compromise is one of the greatest virtues of humanity!...and Socialists aren't bad and don't need to be defeated(unless you're looking to go to war with me!). Isn't it better to make everyone happy than to make one group happy and have an extremist country like Iran or North Korea? I hardly want that. This is a country of many different types of people and we CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT WE WANT!!! How many years has that song been playing on the radio and people STILL DON'T GET IT?
You may think socialism is fine and dandy, but I think it is wrong; it destroys personal freedom and personal responsibility. After all, who needs freedom and responsibility when you have government guaranteeing the outcomes?

Yes, I think your ideas must be defeated.... at the BALLOT BOX. I still have the right to vote (Correct?), and I am going to use it. The only way I would go to war with you is if all political options were exhausted and you were threatening my life, my liberty and/or my property.

You are right, you can't always get what you want (You realize I could turn that around as an argument against your WANT for an arena, don't you?), but if you try sometimes, you just might find... YOU GET WHAT YOU NEED!! And we all need freedom - real freedom, not the severely restricted kind offered by socialism.
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businesses could do all sorts of "we'll pay your arena tax" sales promotions.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2006, 10:31 PM
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These go nowhere "liberal" vs."conservatives" debates, which I admit to getting caught up in myself from time to time, is why I took a break from this forum. I see that nothing has changed.



I don't really see much difference between NIMBYS and some of the people in this forum who are always trying to push their political views down people's throats or throwing up negativity all the time. In fact, in many ways I have more respect for the NIMBYS ..at least they usually live in area where the proposal they are fighting is in and they are out doing something about it..however misguided I think they might be.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2006, 10:54 PM
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This is a discussion forum, so we are going to discuss/debate. This public funding issue will be a ballot measure, so it is, by nature, political. Therefore, political discussion and debate is appropriate for this forum. Sitting on the sidelines strapped to your high horse saying, "I am above all of this debate," is not helpful at all; it's actually a bit annoying.

Maybe I am wrong. Maybe this forum is meant as a refuge for all the Kool-Aid drinkers - a place to post pretty pictures of artist renderings and think happy thoughts. If so, I sincerely apologize.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2006, 11:01 PM
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a place to post pretty pictures.
Hey, that's me


Ahhh geeezzz guys, all of you... please give it a rest. Don't make me sick
fflint on you for running this thread or others into the ground. If you really
need to get this "liberal" vs."conservatives" stuff out of your system go to
the current events forum.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2006, 11:07 PM
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2006, 11:15 PM
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wow, snfenoc I could not stand living in Davis!! You should come to Dixon, more in-line with your thinking.


*we seriously need our own sacramentforum somewhere, that would be sweet!
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2006, 11:25 PM
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wow, snfenoc I could not stand living in Davis!! You should come to Dixon, more in-line with your thinking.


*we seriously need our own sacramentforum somewhere, that would be sweet!
Davis is not that bad. I am actually moving to Sacramento in a couple of weeks. I might attend Sac City in the fall - maybe we can start our own campus group.
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ozone...I think that you may have the wrong idea about things. In the past, there have been some fairly vicious debates/arguments about politics. I think we(most of us...snfenoc included) have come to respect each other for our opinions and have been fairly respectful in our conversations. I completely disagree with snfenoc's idealogies. But, I do not dismiss them.

I do agree with you about the negativity, though. That I could do without! But, we all know who we're talking about there!!!
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2006, 11:41 PM
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ozone...I think that you may have the wrong idea about things. In the past, there have been some fairly vicious debates/arguments about politics. I think we(most of us...snfenoc included) have come to respect each other for our opinions and have been fairly respectful in our conversations. I completely disagree with snfenoc's idealogies. But, I do not dismiss them.

I do agree with you about the negativity, though. That I could do without! But, we all know who we're talking about there!!!
I'm so turned on by you right now!!!

I know many people's eyes glaze over when they see anything political come up on the screen; they assume it will degrade into vicious name-calling and hurt feelings. But if you look back at the passed few posts, I think you will find we've all been quite respectful and, at times, quite humorous. I learned a great deal from Brandon and neuhicky (and I'm sure i scared the crap out of them) - I'm better for it.

So, don't tattle on us innov8. There has to be a better way of getting yourself appointed as a moderator .
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2006, 11:54 PM
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^ a job I would rather not have snfenoc... try to keep it to a dull roar.
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when you buy cars, or have goods delivered you pay the sales tax in the county you live in, you can also say if you live in roseville and buy something in sacramento claim the difference in tax paid on your taxes and get a refund, actually you can claim sales tax on your federal return.
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2006, 7:20 PM
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This is a discussion forum, so we are going to discuss/debate. This public funding issue will be a ballot measure, so it is, by nature, political. Therefore, political discussion and debate is appropriate for this forum. Sitting on the sidelines strapped to your high horse saying, "I am above all of this debate," is not helpful at all; it's actually a bit annoying.

Maybe I am wrong. Maybe this forum is meant as a refuge for all the Kool-Aid drinkers - a place to post pretty pictures of artist renderings and think happy thoughts. If so, I sincerely apologize.
I'm giving up on this forum. I don't have time to waste on this silly shit. The fact is you are an rude ass snfenoc who mistakenly thinks he is quite clever. Thanks to you and Majin I'm over it.

I like debate, even political debate, but I did not sign up for a political forum here. If I wanted that I would go to a different site. I'm actively involved in the things that this forum is supposed to about and wanted to find people who had insight and something postive to share. Like I said I don't have the time to waste on go-nowhere debates by people who's opinion on political issues I could care less about.
See ya.
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I'm giving up on this forum. I don't have time to waste on this silly shit. The fact is you are an rude ass snfenoc who mistakenly thinks he is quite clever. Thanks to you and Majin I'm over it.

I like debate, even political debate, but I did not sign up for a political forum here. If I wanted that I would go to a different site. I'm actively involved in the things that this forum is supposed to about and wanted to find people who had insight and something postive to share. Like I said I don't have the time to waste on go-nowhere debates by people who's opinion on political issues I could care less about.
See ya.
see ya...sorry you couldn't take a little debate!
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2006, 9:24 AM
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Fanfare: Area fans split on arena deal
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City's future is at stake
Sacramento needs a jolt into the 21st century. In every city that has built a new arena, the city has transformed into a special place where people want to be. The main reason I live in the Natomas area is because of the proximity to the arena and downtown. Sorry, but a couple of towers will not turn downtown into a thriving area. If I have to bring someone to Old Sacramento one more time, I will puke. Sacramento has a passion for the Kings. A part of the city will die if a new arena cannot be built. You cannot replace a team like the Kings.
The bottom line is, there are a ton of places where the Kings can get a better deal than in Sacramento. If the Kings leave because we do not get an arena built, we will pay double the price in 10 years to get a team again.




There is not a buzz during a good run at the Sacramento Ballet or Symphony. It is important to have a well-rounded city, but these organizations do not promote a city the way a professional sports team does. I don't see "Ballet on NBC" very often, showing the beautiful cities where they dance.
-- Jeff Stuart, Sacramento



Arena users should pay
Any new sports arena deal should include a $1 county surcharge on every ticket sold, and a 50 cent surcharge on all concession items sold. That way, those who use the facility eventually would pay for it. In addition, rather than having the county increase our sales tax by a quarter-cent, we should push the state to reduce the sales tax rate from 7.5 percent to 5 percent. This would relieve the sales tax burden on the poor, spur economic growth, dramatically increase county and state tax revenues and allow the county to pay for its portion of the arena out of pocket.


-- Kent French, Elk Grove


Selling their souls
Roger Dickerson and Rob Fong negotiated -- correction, they capitulated to Darrell Steinberg and the Brothers Maloof. To give those two millionaires every dime generated from every event held at New Arco is ludicrous. City and county officials gave away the company store because of their obsession with the Kings.

-- Carl Ladeck, Auburn


Visitors welcome deal
Congratulations to the city (and county) of Sacramento on moving forward on a new arena and downtown development package. We frequently visit Sacramento and have many friends in the surrounding communities. A world-class entertainment venue, recreation area next to the river and accessibility by light rail will give us an incentive to visit downtown with our friends. Taking light rail to and from venues is a bonus. Plus, half of the money raised by taxes will go to other Sacramento projects that would not have been funded without an arena project.

-- Rick and Donna Fay, Santa Cruz


Maloofs not the problem
Every argument I hear against the new arena proposal includes not wanting to subsidize the Maloofs. This deal is not about the Maloofs. It's about what the people of Sacramento want for their city and their quality of life. If you want the Kings to stay in Sacramento, and you think revitalizing downtown is a good idea, you need to vote for the arena deal.

If your bias against the proposal is based upon not wanting to put more money into the Maloofs' pockets or that the Maloofs are rich enough to pay for an arena, then you may just have a problem with people who have a lot of money. The Maloofs are rich, and they are going to become richer, whether they stay in Sacramento or not. If $5 a month is too much to keep the Kings, welcome to Bakersfield North!


-- Bill Chicoine, El Dorado Hills


Get ready to say goodbye
Sacramento needs a new arena. What it doesn't need are politicians adding seven years of regressive sales tax increases to pay for pork they can't get any other way. I guarantee the fine folks of Sacramento County won't swallow this measure unless the supervisors dump the extra $500 million unrelated to the arena project. It's a tough enough sell with just the overpriced arena, but with the bloating of another $500 million, people might as well plan the farewell party for the Kings now.


-- Brent DeFehr, Jackson


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Old Posted Jul 30, 2006, 11:19 PM
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Arena users should pay
Any new sports arena deal should include a $1 county surcharge on every ticket sold, and a 50 cent surcharge on all concession items sold. That way, those who use the facility eventually would pay for it. In addition, rather than having the county increase our sales tax by a quarter-cent, we should push the state to reduce the sales tax rate from 7.5 percent to 5 percent. This would relieve the sales tax burden on the poor, spur economic growth, dramatically increase county and state tax revenues and allow the county to pay for its portion of the arena out of pocket.

--Kent French, Elk Grove
and this guy would be a good candidate for the Mayor of North Bakersfield.
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2006, 7:30 PM
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Well i'm headed back to Chicago this Saturday, but i've managed to change 7 no votes to yes votes while here...


Keep up the grassroots effort folks..

Once people hear the truth as to what it will cost to build an arena and the benefits, i haven't found one person opposed to the idea of investing in Sacramento....

It's still going to be a tough sell, but there are a couple of months to get the truth out to the voters...


Good luck....
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i'm sure you reached more than 7 people. you've generated more publicity than the mayor.

now go back to Chicago... home of the Cubs, White Sox, Bulls, Blackhawks, Bears, Rush, Sky, Fire, Storm, etc.

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i'm sure you reached more than 7 people. you've generated more publicity than the mayor.

now go back to Chicago... home of the Cubs, White Sox, Bulls, Blackhawks, Bears, Rush, Sky, Fire, Storm, etc.

and future home of MEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
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Make sure you vote absentee....
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