SAN DIEGO | Boom Rundown, Vol. 2

[The Flying Dutchman]

Hello Texas mod. This is a Streetlight development (A Dallas-based development company). So figures you would upload it here, and welcome!

Clarification - Maker's Quarter is a district, but sometimes developers will opt to name their line of products according to the district they are in.

Broadstone - Maker's Quarter; StreetLights - Maker's Quarter, etc...

News outlets get this part wrong all the time, and it grinds my gears. End rant.

[Leo the Dog]

Originally Posted by SDCAL

Mass transit in this city is a complete joke. KPBS/NPR have been reporting how backwards the compass card is in San Diego

This is EXACTLY why, despite living downtown, I never take the trolley or other mass transit. You either have to buy a day or month pass, you can't just store money on the card and use it as you go along like every other city in the country. This discourages "occasional riders," people who have cars but would otherwise occasionally ride public transit. Why would something so technologically easy to fix be left like this for literally years? It's this type of thing that makes me wonder if San Diego is ever capable coming into the 21st century. Even small, obvious things can't get done here. Pathetic.

I'd honestly expect mass transit numbers to decline with the rising popularity of rideshare technology. I haven't taken the trolley in 2 years now, because I'd rather spend a couple extra bucks and save an hour of time with Uber/Lyft. Once driverless automation hits the roads in 10-20 years, I'm guessing many transit organizations will face major budget shortcomings.

[The Flying Dutchman]

Originally Posted by Leo the Dog

I'd honestly expect mass transit numbers to decline with the rising popularity of rideshare technology. I haven't taken the trolley in 2 years now, because I'd rather spend a couple extra bucks and save an hour of time with Uber/Lyft. Once driverless automation hits the roads in 10-20 years, I'm guessing many transit organizations will face major budget shortcomings.

Automated/electric cars still take up the same amount of road space as regular cars. There is even talk of them causing *more* congestion since they can just circle the block and they still need a place to park when idle... Still it's a grey area. I don't think transit will find itself in dire straits for a number of reasons. First, if gridlock occurs and preferential treatment is given to transit as we are already seeing (buses can use express lanes, dedicated lanes; the trolley is grade-separated, etc.) then the time savings parity of single-occupancy vehicles may actually diminish dramatically. Of course, if the cost of owning/timesharing a car (whether automated or not) becomes prohibitively expensive, as automated cars are practically guaranteed to make insurance so high (due to near-perfect safety marks), then congestion might not be such a problem, but personal vehicles will cost $$$$. The economics is just really unclear in my opinion, but we are sure headed for some major tectonic shifts.

[Bertrice]

horton plaza video. not very long


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjkQoWkWLKE

[nezbn22]

Anyone have any renderings for this?

http://civicsd.com/images/stories/do..._-_1.26.16.pdf

[Streamliner]

Originally Posted by nezbn22

Anyone have any renderings for this?

http://civicsd.com/images/stories/do..._-_1.26.16.pdf

I couldn't find any renderings, just this site talking about the property.

But a 420-foot, 36-story building in that location would be really big for the area. For comparison, the old Sempra building a block away is only 292 feet tall. It would have views of Balboa Park and planes flying into SAN.

[spoonman]

Here is a rendering...boom

http://mlasd.com/on-the-table/

[Streamliner]

Originally Posted by spoonman

Here is a rendering...boom

http://mlasd.com/on-the-table/

Thanks!

[The Flying Dutchman]

Originally Posted by spoonman

Here is a rendering...boom

http://mlasd.com/on-the-table/

'bOOmMan'

[SDfan]

Nice. I hope this moves. The economy is flagging a bit, and I'm worried a recession will close-line some of our best projects (lookin' at you the Block).

[SDCAL]

Originally Posted by Leo the Dog

I'd honestly expect mass transit numbers to decline with the rising popularity of rideshare technology. I haven't taken the trolley in 2 years now, because I'd rather spend a couple extra bucks and save an hour of time with Uber/Lyft. Once driverless automation hits the roads in 10-20 years, I'm guessing many transit organizations will face major budget shortcomings.

So San Diego should avoid paying $100,000 for a basic decade-old technology that every other city has because driverless automation will lower mass transit use in 10-20 years? My post wasn't about some big future mass transit investment, it was about a basic concept that could be enacted right away and help the current situation. I live close to a trolley stop, I'd use it if they had this basic service.

[aerogt3]

Originally Posted by The Flying Dutchman

Automated/electric cars still take up the same amount of road space as regular cars.

Automated cars could dramatically increase road capacities, because they can drive safely with virtually no distance to the car in front. They would also ease parking restrictions because capacity would no longer need to be located within lazy people's walking distance.

At 70 mph, the "safe" distance between cars at 70 mph is ~300 feet (DMV). Considering the average sedan is 15 feet long, reducing following distances from 300 feet to 15 feet would increase the lane capacity by roughly a factor of ten (for the same driving speeds.)

[spoonman]

^This.

[spoonman]

Originally Posted by nezbn22

Anyone have any renderings for this?

http://civicsd.com/images/stories/do..._-_1.26.16.pdf

This project will be great, as it will help fill in an area that has been stagnant for a long time. It will also provide more height closer to the 5 freeway, which will create a more dramatic view for those driving south on 5 into DT.

[The Flying Dutchman]

Originally Posted by aerogt3

Automated cars could dramatically increase road capacities, because they can drive safely with virtually no distance to the car in front. They would also ease parking restrictions because capacity would no longer need to be located within lazy people's walking distance.

At 70 mph, the "safe" distance between cars at 70 mph is ~300 feet (DMV). Considering the average sedan is 15 feet long, reducing following distances from 300 feet to 15 feet would increase the lane capacity by roughly a factor of ten (for the same driving speeds.)

Unless you're in urban areas, esp. downtown, where cars are already bumper to bumper in some cases. All that highway traffic ends up somewhere, anyway...

[Streamliner]

Lindbergh Field has record 20M passengers
San Diego Union-Tribune
Lori Weisberg
Jan. 28, 2015

San Diego International Airport has reached a new milestone, surpassing 20 million passengers in 2015.

Credit an improving economy, most notably a still rebounding tourism industry, for helping boost traffic in and out of the airport, both domestically and internationally.

In all, 20,081,258 passengers boarded and disembarked planes at Lindbergh Field last year — a 7 percent increase over the more than 18.7 million passengers in 2014, the airport reported.

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Put into perspective, LAX, the nation’s second-busiest airport, reported a record 74.5 million travelers in 2015, up 5.6 percent from the previous year.

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And British Airways, which has seen high demand for its nonstop London flights during the summer, is moving from a smaller 275-seat Boeing 777 aircraft to a 747 that will accommodate more than 300 passengers, Brown said.

It will be cool to see these landing over downtown again:

[Derek]

I didn't read the whole article, so maybe this was addressed, but don't 747s have some kind of load restriction leaving SAN due to the short runway? I remember the original BA route to London made a stop in Phoenix before continuing on.

[The Flying Dutchman]

Has anyone flown 1st Class on BA? I hear the food is legendary. I've flown with steerage, and it was a nice flight. Very professional staff.

[HurricaneHugo]

Chargers staying in SD for at least 2016:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...an-diego-2016/

Hopefully we can get a stadium done!

[SanDiego]

Originally Posted by Derek

I didn't read the whole article, so maybe this was addressed, but don't 747s have some kind of load restriction leaving SAN due to the short runway? I remember the original BA route to London made a stop in Phoenix before continuing on.

It was a restriction on landing in San Diego because the weight of the plane was too much to stop on the runway. Back in the early 2000s BA would drop off luggage and passengers in Phoenix to lighten the load.

I wonder if the runway has improvements (I know it's been worked on several times after that) or the aircraft has improved?