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kolchak · #**3321** Posted **Mar 21, 2018, 6:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by pilsenarch

^No, Citizen is right... the renderings are a lie. As I've infamously maintained in previous postings, the basis of this building is an absurdity, particularly for form-follows-function and the tradition of structural expression in this town.

Studio Gang renderings have been mostly accurate in the past and Jeanne Gang's buildings have always come out very well in the end with respect to the original concept. I'm not worried at all

i_am_hydrogen · #**3322** Posted **Mar 21, 2018, 7:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jibba

According to the PD docs, the overall E-W footprint is a touch over 350' (which, of course, includes the easternmost stump). Is there a wider skyscraper in the city? If I'm remembering correctly, Hancock's 875 N Michigan Avenue's broad side is somewhere in the neighborhood of 225 - 250'.

Lincoln Park 2520 spans an entire block. It's in the same range as this one.

chicubs111 · #**3323** Posted **Mar 21, 2018, 7:28 PM**

^^55 east monroe is up there as one of widest with merchandise Mart..throw old post office obv into discussion too..

r18tdi · #**3324** Posted **Mar 21, 2018, 8:47 PM**

I wouldn't call the Mart and OPO skyscrapers though.

left of center · #**3325** Posted **Mar 21, 2018, 10:06 PM**

^ skyslouchers?

HomrQT · #**3326** Posted **Mar 21, 2018, 10:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by r18tdi

I wouldn't call the Mart and OPO skyscrapers though.

Merch Mart is 340 ft which I think is enough to call it a skyscraper by some definitions. Old Post Office is quite a bit shorter at 215 ft.

Notyrview · #**3327** Posted **Mar 21, 2018, 10:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by left of center

^ skyslouchers?

haha

most def not skyscrapers

kolchak · #**3328** Posted **Mar 22, 2018, 3:56 AM**

To go back to the discussion about the accuracy of the renderings - here is one where the core is clearly visible behind the glass -

architecture.org

BVictor1 · #**3329** Posted **Mar 22, 2018, 6:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by kolchak

To go back to the discussion about the accuracy of the renderings - here is one where the core is clearly visible behind the glass -

That's not the core, it's a sheer wall for stability.

kolchak · #**3330** Posted **Mar 22, 2018, 6:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by BVictor1

That's not the core, it's a sheer wall for stability.

I stand corrected.

Still the rendering shows the sheer wall visible through the glass.
Looks like it has more windows after the setback to come also. If it's blended right with the glass tint it might actually enhance the design by adding a vertical element.

I believe they accounted for this when considering the outward look of the finished building.

Swicago Swi Sox · #**3331** Posted **Mar 22, 2018, 2:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by BVictor1

That's not the core, it's a sheer wall for stability.

That's not a sheer wall, it's a shear wall.

pilsenarch · #**3332** Posted **Mar 22, 2018, 2:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by kolchak

To go back to the discussion about the accuracy of the renderings - here is one where the core is clearly visible behind the glass -

architecture.org

This rendering still reduces the actual mass of the structure in both width and height of the sheer walls... I believe someone posted that they think the interior rooms will still be flooded with light... I would suggest you take a look at the floor plans of many of these units on the Vista site... a typical bedroom will have one relatively small window without floor-to-ceiling glass, recessed 3' back from the outside interior wall of the room... reminds me of a jail cell, not a bedroom you'd expect in an all glass luxury highrise...

kolchak · #**3333** Posted **Mar 22, 2018, 3:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by pilsenarch

This rendering still reduces the actual mass of the structure in both width and height of the sheer walls...

The exterior sheer walls "width and height" taper as the building climbs. That rendering starts at a much higher floor than where they are now.

aaron38 · #**3334** Posted **Mar 22, 2018, 4:40 PM**

Bedrooms are for sleeping and other low-light activities. I never understood wanting to sleep in a big glass box.
When I was trying to get some daylight jetlagged sleep in Shenzhen, I had to draw all the blackout curtains and use chairs to push the curtains tight against the wall so I could sleep. So I like that tradeoff of having floor to ceiling windows in the living spaces but not the sleeping spaces.

sentinel · #**3335** Posted **Mar 22, 2018, 5:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by pilsenarch

This rendering still reduces the actual mass of the structure in both width and height of the sheer walls... I believe someone posted that they think the interior rooms will still be flooded with light... I would suggest you take a look at the floor plans of many of these units on the Vista site... a typical bedroom will have one relatively small window without floor-to-ceiling glass, recessed 3' back from the outside interior wall of the room... reminds me of a jail cell, not a bedroom you'd expect in an all glass luxury highrise...

The rendering still shows floor to ceiling glass (9', or 9'+ for higher floors), and if you scale the window/opening widths from the floor plans shown on the website, they appear to be about 4' wide, so a 4'x9' opening in a bedroom is not something to laugh at, nor is it a 'jail cell'. Still unsure of what your problem is

Notyrview · #**3336** Posted **Mar 22, 2018, 5:39 PM**

Oh my, yes, the horror of living in Vista.

LouisVanDerWright · #**3337** Posted **Mar 23, 2018, 2:05 AM**

He's got it out for studio gang. Obviously he lost a major project bid to them or something.

BVictor1 · #**3338** Posted **Mar 23, 2018, 6:54 AM**

03/22/18

pilsenarch · #**3339** Posted **Mar 23, 2018, 12:42 PM**

well, you can question my motives, but if you are going to argue that the quality of those bedrooms is what one would expect entering an all glass skyscraper, I would suggest you have an inability to read plans...

those exterior walls are over 4' thick... all-in-all, even the living and kitchen spaces are awkward (check out the location of the stove, the size of the structure, the huge wasted space in the kitchen)... this is not the kind of floor plan I would expect to see in a corner unit in what is supposed to be the most luxurious tower in the city...

this structural system didn't happen by accident, it is a direct result of the frustums...

so, sorry, I know that this building is a gift from God...

gebs · #**3340** Posted **Mar 23, 2018, 1:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by pilsenarch

this is not the kind of floor plan I would expect to see in a corner unit in what is supposed to be the most luxurious tower in the city...

I've said it before, but I've heard from many interior designers that Studio Gang is really good at architecture, but not the best at interior planning. I wouldn't be surprised to hear more specific complaints as the project finishes up.