SAN ANTONIO │ CPS Headquarters Redevelopment Thread | U/C

[AwesomeSAView]

Originally Posted by Restless 1

Yes, I realize how ugly they are. That's why I'd prefer they be torn down. It's a moot point now, and I was just venting a little, while trying to stir up some comments as it had been dead for a few days.

At least you are HONEST about what you were trying to do

And, IMO, again, the transformation of these two "ugly" building will be AMAZING!!!

[JACKinBeantown]

Originally Posted by UltraDanPrime

Also agree 100% Jack. Was going to post something along those lines, but ya beat me to it!

I so wish there was a like button on this forum.

[The Model]

[IMG]CPS Energy Renovations by Raul Medina III, on Flickr[/IMG]

[babysal]

Bird Scooter Tour today and I snapped a few pics.[IMG]

[KevinFromTexas]

It's interesting seeing the bones of those buildings. It's kind of pretty actually.

[JACKinBeantown]

^^ Yeah, I was thinking it looks better already.

[The Model]

[IMG]cps energy construction by Raul Medina III, on Flickr[/IMG]

[AwesomeSAView]

Originally Posted by The Model

[IMG]cps energy construction by Raul Medina III, on Flickr[/IMG]

I will say it again, IMO this building transformation by CPS is going to be spectacular, especially when lit at night!!!

[Txdev]

Well one thing for sure is this is a lot faster than building new. If they were building new it would probably be at least another year before they had the topping out party, which is basically where they are now.

[Fryguy]

Originally Posted by Txdev

Well one thing for sure is this is a lot faster than building new. If they were building new it would probably be at least another year before they had the topping out party, which is basically where they are now.

Umm...what? lol

[UltraDanPrime]

☝️why do you put comments like that on here? Does it make you feel cool?

[Txdev]

Fry guy, you seem dumbfounded, so i’ll explain more on what I was thinking.

New Frost tower was proposed publicly Summer 2014. At that time, Frost Bank had already committed to moving to the new tower, so prelim architectural, space planning, budget estimates had already gotten far enough along for Frost Bank to agree to a lease size and cost. So probably the project started at least a year before that, but who knows.

CPS has been kicking around the idea for a new HQ for a while, but had no site, no design, etc. Summer 2016, they announce they have picked a site (but don’t have full architectural plans, haven’t closed on the land, etc.

Come early summer 2018, Frost tower tops out concrete superstructure, and skin is following closely behind. Late summer, CPS has removed the old skin, and has the concrete superstructure. So, CPS is several months behind Frost, but considering Frost started 2-3 years earlier, fairly close.

So the point is, for Frost, from announcement to move in is about 5 years, and they’ve really probably been working on it for 6+. (And they have moved very quickly!)

By making the choice to gut and redo existing buildings, CPS timeline will probably be at least a year faster than if they had chosen a new build option.

[Fryguy]

Originally Posted by Txdev

Fry guy, you seem dumbfounded, so i’ll explain more on what I was thinking.

New Frost tower was proposed publicly Summer 2014. At that time, Frost Bank had already committed to moving to the new tower, so prelim architectural, space planning, budget estimates had already gotten far enough along for Frost Bank to agree to a lease size and cost. So probably the project started at least a year before that, but who knows.

CPS has been kicking around the idea for a new HQ for a while, but had no site, no design, etc. Summer 2016, they announce they have picked a site (but don’t have full architectural plans, haven’t closed on the land, etc.

Come early summer 2018, Frost tower tops out concrete superstructure, and skin is following closely behind. Late summer, CPS has removed the old skin, and has the concrete superstructure. So, CPS is several months behind Frost, but considering Frost started 2-3 years earlier, fairly close.

So the point is, for Frost, from announcement to move in is about 5 years, and they’ve really probably been working on it for 6+. (And they have moved very quickly!)

By making the choice to gut and redo existing buildings, CPS timeline will probably be at least a year faster than if they had chosen a new build option.

The remodel is taking just as long as a completely new building from foundation to completion and is costing nearly the same (or more) as a new building. Much of the complaints illustrated throughout this forum. They will not be finished until 2020 spring or fall.

[Fryguy]

Originally Posted by UltraDanPrime

☝️why do you put comments like that on here? Does it make you feel cool?

Don't be so sensitive. 🙄

[Txdev]

It only takes as long if you don’t count the huge amount of time and expense of Preconstruction for engineers to figure out the geotech in soils, design the foundation and the structure, etc.

As stated above, Frost tower had a 2-3 year head start, and will probably finish 6-12 months before CPS.

[UltraDanPrime]

@Txdev, I wouldn't bother. He's "that guy" there are a handful on here. It's a shame.

[KevinFromTexas]

Txdev is right about the time frame. It may seem to be moving slowly now, but I'm sure they had to do some asbestos abatement before they could move forward since it's an older building. Basically, anything built before 1975 is going to have asbestos in it. Building a new building from scratch would have meant needing to dig for the foundation, and that would have taken longer - easily a year or more. Digging takes forever in South and Central Texas because of the limestone bedrock we have. It's good foundation for skyscrapers, but it takes a while to get through also.

[The Model]

[IMG]CPS Energy Construction by Raul Medina III, on Flickr[/IMG]

[The Model]

[IMG]CPS Energy Construction by Raul Medina III, on Flickr[/IMG]

[JACKinBeantown]

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