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Old Posted Nov 28, 2017, 8:11 PM
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John Tory is such a great ambassador for the league.
Regardless of folks views on Rob Forb Toronto has been fortunate to have two pro-CFL Mayors at the helm. Someone like David Miller represented the "416 Toronto" culture I talk about that didn't value football or understand the culture of it.

John Tory by necessity due to his history has to be a CFL booster, its the only authentic thing I see him ever speak on, to be honest.
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Looks like a good sized crowd for the Argos celebration at NP Square
Hope this translates to new fans and momentum towards rebuilding the brand
Someone mentioned that there was 2-3K there today. There was well over 40K for Ottawa which had an actual parade on top of that.

By no means was today embarrassing for the team, it was actually really good to see but today will not lead to any new momentum aside from getting on the evening news for one more day. It's up to the Argo's front office to start pushing season ticket sales immediately.
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2017, 8:48 PM
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Not being a dick, but 15 degrees outside probably helps.
A bit, but no way was it 15c. Maybe 7 or 8 with a fairly cold wind. Nice sunshine though.
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Someone mentioned that there was 2-3K there today. There was well over 40K for Ottawa which had an actual parade on top of that.
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The Redblacks actually rival the Senators for status of most popular sports team in the Ottawa market. That's saying something.
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2017, 9:21 PM
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The Grey Cup parade in Montreal in 2009 attracted 250,000 people. The 2010 Grey Cup attracted 200,000. I know we are talking about a completely different market, but the crowd in Toronto seems very small in this regard.
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I don't think the Esks had over 10,000 in 2015 when they won. They didn't do a parade but they did do like what the Argos did today. So if a parade was done, there'd be a lot more people coming out of their offices and lining the streets then meeting in one location.

Kind of hard to attract a lot of people when you do it at lunch when a lot of the fans work outside the core of downtown. Not making excuses but it's just hard to make it work for everyone I guess.

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I believe the Stamps did something similar too at Olympic Plaza, attracting around the same amount of fans too.
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2017, 9:51 PM
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You people talking about all your championship rallies and parades are a bunch of jackholes.

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know we are talking about a completely different market, but the crowd in Toronto seems very small in this regard.
It is and it was.

My coworker who sits beside me today asked me if the game was this coming weekend.
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It is and it was.

My coworker who sits beside me today asked me if the game was this coming weekend.
It was bigger than I was expecting, and very enthusiastic. It wasn’t a parade but given the way traffic is going here these days, a parade might not have been a great PR gesture.
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2017, 10:28 PM
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I don't think the Esks had over 10,000 in 2015 when they won. They didn't do a parade but they did do like what the Argos did today. So if a parade was done, there'd be a lot more people coming out of their offices and lining the streets then meeting in one location.

Kind of hard to attract a lot of people when you do it at lunch when a lot of the fans work outside the core of downtown. Not making excuses but it's just hard to make it work for everyone I guess.

Just my opinion.
Yes it wasn’t great. For me, lunchtime is short, so it was a little annoying that at the announced time of 12:30, all we got was some sort of hip-hop dancing (if that’s what it’s called) for 20 minutes. Then another 15 minutes of confusion and more random-looking dancing until the Argos actually appeared. Instead of someone familiar to emcee, it was some guy I’ve never seen before who claimed to be from TSN. Jim Popp went on for a bit too long and I had to leave during Trestman’s oration. But it was still fun.
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TFC only major pro sports team in Toronto that hasn’t congratulated Argos
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They may be roommates but that doesn’t mean Toronto FC and the Toronto Argonauts are friends.

Every other major pro sports franchise in the city of Toronto has congratulated the Argonauts on their CFL championship win – except the soccer team.




“Larry [Tanenbaum] to me is an absolute gem – his family is spectacular. It’s not hard to figure out why he’s had success,” Leafs head coach Mike Babcock said about the MLSE chairman who has an ownership stake in the Argos. “For him to keep doing great things for the city of Toronto is a lot of fun. Any time you’re around winning, that’s a real special thing. Obviously, a good example for us. It’s great they were able to look after that with their opportunity. It looked like a lot of fun.”



Even the Jays, completely owned by Rogers who have no stake in the CFL, gave props to the Argos.



But TFC remains silent on social media. That’s a statement in its own right. There have been many vocal Reds fans who were upset that the Argos were allowed to move to BMO Field for the 2016 season and the movement continues. A “No Argos at BMO” campaign remains strong from Toronto FC supporters.



Of course, they could just be busy. Toronto FC hosts Columbus in the second leg of the conference finals on Wednesday at BMO. Be sure to congratulate them if they win. Or not.

UPDATE: Toronto FC did finally send out a Tweet….

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Old Posted Nov 28, 2017, 11:23 PM
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Why the CFL wants to move up its schedule
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The 2017 CFL season is officially in the books following the Toronto Argonauts’ 27-24 Grey Cup victory over the Calgary Stampeders. Below are my thoughts on the game along with a few other key off-season issues.

Money, money, money

CFL commissioner Randy Ambrosie made waves this past week when he suggested that Grey Cup games may soon be played in October, almost three full weeks sooner than the earliest Grey Cup game of all-time (the 1997 Grey Cup was played on November 16).

There are a lot of moving parts to the argument both for and against moving up the CFL schedule — tradition, cold weather, snow, competition with the Stanley Cup playoffs, competition with the NFL, etc. — but there’s really only one factor that matters to the CFL office: money.

The CFL has been selling its American television rights to ESPN for a paltry sum for close to a decade now. Former commissioner Mark Cohon — the man who made the first ESPN broadcast agreement in the late 2000s — didn’t see the deal as an opportunity to make money, but as a chance to gain exposure south of the border. Now that the CFL is getting a fair amount of attention from an American audience, it may be time to capitalize by negotiating a more lucrative broadcasting agreement.

And I believe the league will get it.



More and more Americans take an interest in the CFL every year for a number of reasons.

For one, many big-name college stars who end up in the CFL bring with them legions of fans who want to follow their careers through the pros. Players like DeVier Posey, Trent Richardson, Darvin Adams, Tommie Campbell, and James Wilder Jr. all come from huge football schools with massive fan bases. Seeing former college stars enjoy professional success in Canada should only turn more American fans onto the Canadian game.

Secondly, the CFL is phenomenally entertaining — I’ve been following it and the NFL for almost twenty years and the 2017 season was as compelling a campaign as I’ve seen north or south of the border. With a shorter play clock, more passing, and all types of shenanigans (ie. game-winning rouges, kickbacks, etc.) that don’t exist in the American game, Canadian football is a delightful alternative to the ground-and-pound, clock management game of the NFL.

Finally, the CFL kicks off three months prior to the NFL regular season. This is where moving the schedule earlier comes into play — the more games the CFL can play before September, the more a potential CFL television deal would be worth south of the border.

Randy Ambrosie is a smart man. He knows how to generate new revenue streams for a league that, despite its success in markets like Regina, Winnipeg, Ottawa, and Edmonton, has areas of concern in cities like Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal.

NBC Sports reported this past week that the CFL is looking to alter its schedule for the purpose of negotiating a broadcasting deal with the NFL Network. If the NFL Network is interested in negotiating for the television rights currently owned by ESPN, that should positively affect the CFL’s ability to demand a good dollar amount for its product.

I like having the Grey Cup in November as much as any CFL fan, but the league needs to maximize its money-making opportunities. If moving the season up by a month means bringing a significant new source of revenue to the league, consider me first in line to attend an April preseason game.
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Many CFL games draw much better ratings in the U.S than MLS. CFL fans especially in Western Canada would much rather have the playoffs in October than Nov weather wise. A good example are my home town Bombers we drew crowds of 30,000 + when Calgary and Edmonton visited and a sellout during the banjo bowl with Sask. Later in the year as temps cooled attendance on average goes down around 3000 per game. If the CFL can get a good U.S. tv deal all the power to them. English premier league soccer does it with NBC why can't the CFL do something in the U.S too.
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Many CFL games draw much better ratings in the U.S than MLS. CFL fans especially in Western Canada would much rather have the playoffs in October than Nov weather wise. A good example are my home town Bombers we drew crowds of 30,000 + when Calgary and Edmonton visited and a sellout during the banjo bowl with Sask. Later in the year as temps cooled attendance on average goes down around 3000 per game. If the CFL can get a good U.S. tv deal all the power to them. English premier league soccer does it with NBC why can't the CFL do something in the U.S too.
What are the Bombers going to draw when they're up against the Jets in the Stanley Cup finals though? And what are the TV rights going to be worth when TSN can't fill its fall schedule with football, but has to start promoting something else in the middle of October? There are also issues with bumping up against the NFL draft (the CFL signs a lot of players after they aren't drafted) and there would be no more opportunity to bring players north after the NFL cuts (or, at least, this could only be done for the last couple of games of the season, at most).
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Old Posted Nov 29, 2017, 12:10 AM
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It is and it was.

My coworker who sits beside me today asked me if the game was this coming weekend.
Statistically speaking then, you and the guy on the other side of him responded by saying no, you both watched some, or all, of it this past weekend.
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What are the Bombers going to draw when they're up against the Jets in the Stanley Cup finals though? And what are the TV rights going to be worth when TSN can't fill its fall schedule with football, but has to start promoting something else in the middle of October? There are also issues with bumping up against the NFL draft (the CFL signs a lot of players after they aren't drafted) and there would be no more opportunity to bring players north after the NFL cuts (or, at least, this could only be done for the last couple of games of the season, at most).
One of Winnipeg's favorite sporting days of the year is the one Saturday a year when the Bombers and Jets play on the same day. The Jets making the cup finals is a once in a lifetime event I do not see the Jets going to the cup finals for the next 5-10 years consecutively. TSN will be fine as Sportsnet still has the NHL rights for the next 8 years. There are hundreds of players out of U.S college football every year and only 9 CFL teams and 32 NFL teams to find a roster spot the good players will still be found. Also if the CFL can land a lucrative U.S. tv deal it can help them attract and retain higher caliber players scouts and coaches long term.
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What a great article to fan the rivalry between the two teams...
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One of Winnipeg's favorite sporting days of the year is the one Saturday a year when the Bombers and Jets play on the same day. The Jets making the cup finals is a once in a lifetime event I do not see the Jets going to the cup finals for the next 5-10 years consecutively. TSN will be fine as Sportsnet still has the NHL rights for the next 8 years. There are hundreds of players out of U.S college football every year and only 9 CFL teams and 32 NFL teams to find a roster spot the good players will still be found. Also if the CFL can land a lucrative U.S. tv deal it can help them attract and retain higher caliber players scouts and coaches long term.
It is pretty hard to get most U.S. players even to look at coming to Canada. You have to have room for finding and convincing players who didn't get drafted but still have hopes of an NFL call. That requires a good space of time after the NFL draft, for the reality to sink in. Then, at the other end of the season, you can't bring in any new players from the NFL cuts either, even your own cuts (e.g. no Derel Walker in Edmonton this year) except, at most, for the last 3 or 4 weeks of the season. The quality of players will go down.
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This 'No Argos @ BMO' campaign is so childish. It looks bad on Toronto.

Stadiums are almost always big money losers so the more use it gets cuts the losses for the taxpayer.
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