HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > Buildings & Architecture > Completed Project Threads Archive


    Three World Trade Center in the SkyscraperPage Database

Building Data Page   • Comparison Diagram   • New York Skyscraper Diagram

Map Location
New York Projects & Construction Forum

 

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #461  
Old Posted Jan 5, 2009, 12:55 PM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is online now
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 51,915
Quote:
Originally Posted by theWatusi View Post
piece by piece...nobody is gonna blow anything up down there
For more reasons beyond safety. Anyway, lets keep this thread on the construction of WTC Tower 3. The other buildings have their own threads.
__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
     
     
  #462  
Old Posted Jan 7, 2009, 12:29 AM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is online now
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 51,915
__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
     
     
  #463  
Old Posted Jan 15, 2009, 12:32 AM
genop's Avatar
genop genop is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 189
Found this on nytimes.com

The last remaining structural remnants of the 460-foot-long ramp at the World Trade Center site, leading from street level down nearly to bedrock, were hoisted up and out of ground zero by a crane on Wednesday — there being no ramp any longer on which to haul the X-shaped truss work.

David W. Dunlap /The New York Times
A ramp section during the hoist, with the Goldman Sachs tower behind it.
The dismantling of the ramp, a utilitarian structure that assumed a special symbolic importance during memorial ceremonies, was necessary to permit further steel erection at the south end of the below-ground site.

Tom O’Connor, a senior engineer at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, smiled when he was asked whether removing the ramp would hinder construction progress. “It doesn’t slow it at all,” he said. “It was a very long ramp to walk up and down. Stairs are quicker.” Materials will be picked up and hoisted by cranes.

When the impending removal of the ramp was announced last month, victims’ family members paused to reflect on its significance. Jefferson Crowther said he had no deep-rooted feeling about it as an artifact but explained that the ramp indirectly aided the search for his son, Welles Remy Crowther. Welles was an equities trader who worked on the 104th floor of the south tower, and he died after organizing rescue efforts in the 78th-floor sky lobby. (He became known in 9/11 lore as the “man in the red bandanna,” since he wore one that morning to protect his nose and mouth.) Recalling that Welles’s body was not found until March 19, 2002, under the earthen roadway that the structural ramp replaced, his father said, with a sigh, “If they hadn’t built it, we might have had to wait longer.”

The removal of the ramp was among the specific milestones that the Port Authority has set for itself for the first three months of 2009. On Wednesday, the authority released an update of the nine milestones it had hoped to achieve during the last three months of 2008.

In the update, Christopher O. Ward, the executive director of the authority, told Gov. David A. Paterson that eight milestones had been achieved. What has not yet happened, Mr. Ward said, is the scheduled turning over of the sites for Tower 2 and Tower 3 to Larry A. Silverstein, who would develop commercial skyscrapers on those lots. The authority and the developer have not yet settled issues over a retaining wall that impinges on an area Mr. Silverstein needs for construction and access to the E train subway station through the Tower 2 site.

But it is also unclear how quickly Mr. Silverstein could proceed even if he had timely control of the sites, given an ever-deepening recession and the breakup, shrinking or disappearance of the financial institutions that would be among his likeliest tenants. A near future without Towers 2 and 3 is looking ever more probable.
     
     
  #464  
Old Posted Jan 15, 2009, 12:34 AM
genop's Avatar
genop genop is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 189
I hope everything goes on as planned
     
     
  #465  
Old Posted Jan 15, 2009, 6:16 AM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is online now
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 51,915
Quote:
Originally Posted by genop View Post
I hope everything goes on as planned
It's doubtful everything will go as planned (nothing has so far), but just as long as things get built it won't matter in the end...
__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
     
     
  #466  
Old Posted Jan 16, 2009, 9:11 PM
Dac150's Avatar
Dac150 Dac150 is offline
World Machine
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: NY/CT
Posts: 6,749
Quote:
Originally Posted by NYguy View Post
It's doubtful everything will go as planned (nothing has so far), but just as long as things get built it won't matter in the end...
If there is one thing we should all take away from the WTC site is to never get too attached to any aspect, because things are prone to change. Hopefully whatever is built is done with common sense and not building something for the sake of saying 'job accomplished'. I'd rather wait another decade for those two to be built as shown rather than Larry just putting together a pair of filler buildings.
__________________
"I'm going there, but I like it here wherever it is.."
     
     
  #467  
Old Posted Jan 17, 2009, 12:55 AM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is online now
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 51,915
Yeah, the "filler" building idea went nowhere when it first came out a few years ago, with notable opposition from the city. Silverstein doesn't really "own" the retail portion of the site, so its doubtful he would want to just get retail built - especially something that would have to be torn down later before he could build. Remember, Silverstein is no spring chicken.
__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
     
     
  #468  
Old Posted Jan 17, 2009, 3:17 PM
Duffstuff129's Avatar
Duffstuff129 Duffstuff129 is offline
Charismatic Stallion
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Manhattan
Posts: 579
From what I've seen going on at the site, nothing has gone on yet, so therefore it'll be a long time until the building is finished and as a result, we'll probably be looking at a different (better) market at the time that the building is done.

I can honestly say that I believe that all 4 towers will go through as planned because 1. Banks will see that the market will be better by the time they're done and 2. They'll probably fill up relatively quickly when the market comes back and businesses need new space.

Or I might be blinded by optimism. Let's hope I'm not.
     
     
  #469  
Old Posted Jan 18, 2009, 7:28 AM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is online now
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 51,915
Quote:
Originally Posted by Duffstuff129 View Post
From what I've seen going on at the site, nothing has gone on yet, so therefore it'll be a long time until the building is finished and as a result, we'll probably be looking at a different (better) market at the time that the building is done.
A lot can happen in four years.
__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
     
     
  #470  
Old Posted Jan 23, 2009, 4:37 AM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is online now
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 51,915
This could help Silverstein in his quest for a tenant...

http://www.reuters.com/article/bonds...36430120090122
Port Authority OKs rent credit for WTC offices

Thu Jan 22, 2009

NEW YORK, Jan 22 (Reuters) - The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey on Thursday approved an initiative that will offer a $5-per-square-foot rent credit to new tenants leasing space in the office buildings at the site of the World Trade Center.

The program will offer private-sector tenants in One World Trade Center, the Freedom Tower, and Towers 2,3,4 and 5, credits for up to 750,000 square feet of leased space, the authority said in a statement.

The total will be capped at a maximum of $3.75 million a year and a total of $61 million over the life of the program, which was not specified.

"This program will assist us in securing commercial tenants at the site, which will help to promote economic growth in lower Manhattan," said Port Authority Chairman Anthony Coscia.

A number of financial companies moved their operations out of lower Manhattan following the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. (Reporting by Ciara Linnane; Editing by Dan Grebler)
__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
     
     
  #471  
Old Posted Jan 23, 2009, 4:45 AM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is online now
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 51,915
More good news for Silverstein...
http://panynj.com/AboutthePortAuthor...ex.php?id=1189

PORT AUTHORITY BOARD TAKES ACTION ON SEVERAL ITEMS
January 22, 2009

At its monthly meeting this afternoon, the Port Authority Board of Commissioners authorized:

....................The acceptance of the assignment of a construction trade contract awarded by the National September 11 Memorial & Museum Foundation to Johnson Controls Inc. for a building management system for the World Trade Center Memorial.

Reimbursements to Silverstein Properties, Inc., for the Port Authority’s share of costs for work performed under SPI’s construction trade contract with Rogers & Sons Concrete for the installation of superstructure concrete at Tower 4 and a portion of the subgrade structure at Tower 3.

A $55 million project (Phase 1) for the installation of utilities, below-grade structures, and interim streets and structures at the World Trade Center site.

The acceptance of the assignment of a construction trade contract awarded by the National September 11 Memorial & Museum Foundation to 4J’s Associates LLC for plumbing and fountain plumbing systems for the World Trade Center Memorial.
__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
     
     
  #472  
Old Posted Jan 29, 2009, 9:53 PM
jackie60's Avatar
jackie60 jackie60 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: manhattan
Posts: 46
towers 2/3

     
     
  #473  
Old Posted Jan 29, 2009, 10:01 PM
Dac150's Avatar
Dac150 Dac150 is offline
World Machine
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: NY/CT
Posts: 6,749
That article gives me the impression that if Towers 2 & 3 were to be placed on the back-burner for a little while, the designs will still remain as shown. I'd still prefer everything to go up at once though.
__________________
"I'm going there, but I like it here wherever it is.."
     
     
  #474  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2009, 3:46 AM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is online now
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 51,915
It remains to be seen, but doesn't seem likely. Silverstein doesn't want to build retail podiums. When the Port Authority cleans up its mess, which it hasn't, we'll see where Silverstein goes with this.
__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
     
     
  #475  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2009, 3:51 AM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is online now
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 51,915
The PA's own testimony today:
http://panynj.com/AboutthePortAuthor...ex.php?id=1192

Testimony by Chris Ward, Executive Director, The Port Authority of NY & NJ

January 29, 2009


...as I emphasized earlier, we can’t only talk about our progress; we also must be up front about our setbacks. While we hit eight of our milestones last quarter, we did not hit all nine.

The one milestone we did not meet was turning over the sites for Towers 2, 3 and 4 to Silverstein Properties. We are working cooperatively with Silverstein Properties to resolve the outstanding issues and are conducting a review as to why this milestone was missed so it doesn’t happen again.

While we’re on the subject, I also want to emphasize that, despite the challenging real estate and financial markets, we are working closely with Silverstein Properties to ensure that as much of their commercial office space gets developed as fast as possible. This will be an ongoing conversation that we hope to complete this year.
__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
     
     
  #476  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2009, 4:28 AM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is online now
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 51,915
Silverstein's follow up...
http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_300/silverstein.html

Silverstein knocks Port on W.T.C. communication

By Julie Shapiro
January 30, 2009


World Trade Center developer Larry Silverstein said he is frustrated with the Port Authority not communicating with him about rebuilding the site.

Last summer, Silverstein and the Port worked together closely, sharing information and making plans that would enable Silverstein to build Towers 2, 3 and 4 on the site, Silverstein told State Assemblymembers at a hearing in Lower Manhattan Thursday.

Around Labor Day, “The meetings stopped,” Silverstein said. “And the next thing we knew is that we were no longer participants. We were being told what the delivery dates would be of the different components [of the W.T.C. site], as determined by the Port Authority without our input.”

That same lack of communication continues today, with infrequent meetings and no communication between top-level stakeholders, Silverstein said. After the Port unilaterally released the new timeline for the long-delayed, $10.9 billion project, Silverstein asked for the documents showing where those new dates came from. The documents, Silverstein said, have been “extremely slow in coming.”

“Every once in a while there’s a spurt of renewed activity between the staff at the Port Authority and ourselves,” Silverstein said. “But then, for some reason, things begin to decline.”

Since Silverstein does not have access to the Port’s detailed engineering information, he does not know how much stock to put in the new quarterly milestones the Port has begun to release. Chris Ward, the Port’s executive director, announced earlier this month that the Port met eight of the nine milestones for the last quarter of 2008 and he set new milestones for this quarter.

“A project this size literally has thousands of milestones,” Silverstein said. “It’s terribly important to be able to get behind the information, to validate it, to understand it.”

Ward said Thursday that he would release more detail about long-term milestones for the project, rather than just releasing small-picture goals quarter by quarter. He made similar statements in an interview with Downtown Express two weeks ago.

Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, who chaired Thursday’s hearing, suggested hiring an independent monitor to gather information from all the site stakeholders to determine whether the Port’s new timeline is realistic. Ward said the Port Authority is already handling that role and adding a layer of oversight is unnecessary.

Silverstein, though, called Silver’s proposal “a salutary idea.”

Silverstein compared the intricate 16-acre site to a jigsaw puzzle and said each of his towers must fit into the pieces of infrastructure the Port Authority is constructing. The interwoven nature of the site has repeatedly caused conflicts, most recently when the Port left a wall that supports the No. 1 subway standing where a column for Silverstein’s Tower 4 needed to go — a matter that was only resolved after an arbitration that resulted in the Port resuming payment of a $300,000-a-day penalty to Silverstein.

The preparation of the sites for Towers 2, 3 and 4 was the one fourth-quarter milestone the Port missed, and Ward said Thursday it would take months to finish the work that was supposed to be done at the end of the year.


Silverstein also gave the example of the foundations of Towers 2 and 3, which both overlap with the PATH hub the Port is building and will have to be coordinated.

“You can’t take it piece by piece and develop [each piece] by itself,” Silverstein said. “It’s all integrated…. Transparency here is critical because the complexities are so great.”

Later in the hearing, Silver returned to his idea of an independent monitor and suggested that the Lower Manhattan Construction Command Center, which undertook a study several years ago showing that the site was far behind schedule, resume its watchdog role on a more permanent basis. Bob Harvey, L.M.C.C.C.’s executive director, sounded amenable to taking on the job.

The hearing was a rare occurrence when two of the biggest power players in Lower Manhattan development -- the Port and the Metropolitan Transportation Authority – were in the same place.
__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
     
     
  #477  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2009, 4:51 AM
StarScraperCity StarScraperCity is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Long Island, New York
Posts: 95
This all must be incredibly frustrating for Mr. Silverstein.
     
     
  #478  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2009, 11:27 AM
pattali's Avatar
pattali pattali is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: French Riviera
Posts: 254
^^^ you're right , Mr Silverstein is really courageous, especially thinking about his age

< A little off topic > I read on Wired New York Forum that construction crane will be installed on mid february for WTC 4. So we need now another Earthcam for watch that progress.
     
     
  #479  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2009, 12:30 PM
NYguy's Avatar
NYguy NYguy is online now
New Yorker for life
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Borough of Jersey
Posts: 51,915
Quote:
Originally Posted by StarScraperCity View Post
This all must be incredibly frustrating for Mr. Silverstein.
It's frustrating for all of us that watch:

Quote:
The preparation of the sites for Towers 2, 3 and 4 was the one fourth-quarter milestone the Port missed, and Ward said Thursday it would take months to finish the work that was supposed to be done at the end of the year.
Although Silverstein has done limited foundation work for tower 3, its unclear why it will take the PA "months" to remove that wall.
__________________
NEW YORK is Back!

“Office buildings are our factories – whether for tech, creative or traditional industries we must continue to grow our modern factories to create new jobs,” said United States Senator Chuck Schumer.
     
     
  #480  
Old Posted Jan 30, 2009, 3:42 PM
Stu's Avatar
Stu Stu is offline
Still cyber-converted fka
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Montreal
Posts: 4,534
Sounds like the PA are incompetent... or at least they screwed up.
__________________
new sig
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
 

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > Buildings & Architecture > Completed Project Threads Archive
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 1:08 PM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.