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Old Posted Jan 28, 2015, 7:17 PM
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I shouldn't have said 10,000 seat arena for McMaster. Either way Mac wants to build a Sports Arena, regardless of seat size. The idea stems from David Braley, so he must've made a past commitment to donate.

I only came up with 10,000 seat because Mac wants to build on an offsite location which means they could partner up with the City and or any other hockey affiliation. Which coincides with Andlauer past desire to build a downtown arena, which he himself has stated his desire for a 10,000 seat arena.

Either way we all have to admit come 2017 the AHL Bulldogs will likely be packing to Laval. So Global Spectrum better have a back up plan.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2015, 7:54 PM
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8,000-10,000 would be a good guess, as many other cities have arenas in that range. JLC (or whatever it's called) in London, ON, and the (slightly) remodeled civic centre in Ottawa, come to mind.

On the other note, if Copps (or whatever it's called) depends on an AHL team as a primary source of revenue, they're doing it wrong.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2015, 7:54 PM
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What a waste. Copps is too big so we tear it down and build a smaller arena or have two arenas that lose money? I bet Global Spectrum already has an exit plan if we lose the Bulldogs and the whole thing will get dumped back on the City.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2015, 8:06 PM
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I hope nobody builds a 10,000 seat arena in Hamilton. It would be pointless. The only hockey that would do well in Hamilton is NHL. Nobody cares about anything else. Better to update the existing 20,000 seat arena and focus on big name concerts. With 6 million people to draw from, they should be able to pack that arena at least 100 times a year.
I agree. And Global Spectrum in partnership with Live Nation has been bringing some good names in the recent year with 15 000 plus in attendance.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2015, 8:08 PM
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What a waste. Copps is too big so we tear it down and build a smaller arena or have two arenas that lose money? I bet Global Spectrum already has an exit plan if we lose the Bulldogs and the whole thing will get dumped back on the City.
Andalauer has said he retains the bulldogs name and trademark. He said he will replace the MTL farm team with either another AHL team or OHL team bearing the Bulldogs name.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2015, 8:11 PM
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I shouldn't have said 10,000 seat arena for McMaster. Either way Mac wants to build a Sports Arena, regardless of seat size. The idea stems from David Braley, so he must've made a past commitment to donate.

I only came up with 10,000 seat because Mac wants to build on an offsite location which means they could partner up with the City and or any other hockey affiliation. Which coincides with Andlauer past desire to build a downtown arena, which he himself has stated his desire for a 10,000 seat arena.

Either way we all have to admit come 2017 the AHL Bulldogs will likely be packing to Laval. So Global Spectrum better have a back up plan.
Id like to build a sports arena as well. Montreal wants to build a new baseball stadium. The argos want their own football stadium. Im sure a lot of ppl would like to build sporting venues but they dont have the money.. They aren't getting money from the Feds, the City can't even keep up with its road repairs. Mac is behind on capital maintenance to the tune of tens of millions of dollars.

Deferred Maintenance
McMaster’s deferred maintenance backlog increased significantly from $150.0 million to an estimated $335.0 million.


http://www.mcmaster.ca/bms/pdf/Fin_report2013.pdf

Councillor Terry Whitehead agrees that the city’s 195 million dollar infrastructure deficit must be a priority

http://www.900chml.com/2015/01/15/cr...apital-budget/

So unless Braley is donating 50 to 200 million depending on size it won't happen. And considering he's being fickle about selling the Argos and Lions overpricing them to prospective buyers, I don't think he's going to donate that much to Mac. Maybe 10 million or so, but that still isn't enough to build a major arena.

Before Mac needs an arena they need to replace the aging aquatics centre. They couldn't even pony up the money to replace it on its own and wanted to split the cost with the Pan Am's but the aquatics training centre went to Toronto.

I don't understand why Mac would want to build an arena. Burridge gym is fine for basketball and volleyball. Cis hockey is a money loser which rarely draws over 1000 fans. If they want a team that bad they can play off campus at market street. Which is what many other CIS teams do and is where the new arena would be located anyways. And a major arena would already compete with an established arena in Hamilton with major ties to the largest concert promoter in the World, live nation. Theres no revenue plan. The city can't be on board with a second arena because they own Copps and would lose the lease revenue if the AHL or OHL team went to the new arena.
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Not to stir the controversy pot, but convert First Ontario to a Casino and Concert venue (rip up the ice and repurpose seating) forget about hockey downtown. Have Braley, Mac and other private developers build a 10,000 seat arena in Aldershot. Keep AHL and get an OHL team. Surely if major NFL teams can share a stadium (NY), it can surely be done for hockey. Agreed, less games in NFL, but the stadium could be used each night for hockey one way or another. Let Global Spectrum fill the Casino with high name concerts weekly....and also use THF for outdoor concerts in better weather. Use Casino revnues for infrastructure repairs.
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Not to stir the controversy pot, but convert First Ontario to a Casino and Concert venue (rip up the ice and repurpose seating) forget about hockey downtown. Have Braley, Mac and other private developers build a 10,000 seat arena in Aldershot. Keep AHL and get an OHL team. Surely if major NFL teams can share a stadium (NY), it can surely be done for hockey. Agreed, less games in NFL, but the stadium could be used each night for hockey one way or another. Let Global Spectrum fill the Casino with high name concerts weekly....and also use THF for outdoor concerts in better weather. Use Casino revnues for infrastructure repairs.

But then we lose out at big name arena acts that require 17 000 seat arenas. Also the casino concert circuit is a retirement league. And why would performers perform at a casino in hamilton when they can go to already established casino venues in niagara falls and rama. too much competition IMO

That plus i doubt someone is privately building a new 10 000 seat arena. The hamilton area can barely support 1 ahl team. Nvm an ohl AND ahl team. IMO its one or ther other. Ham burl cant support both.
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I think it would be ridiculous to build another large-ish arena now. FOC may be too "big" for our hockey needs, but as a multi-use facility it brings opportunities we may not have with a smaller building (despite its 'bare bones')

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I think it would be ridiculous to build another large-ish arena now. FOC may be too "big" for our hockey needs, but as a multi-use facility it brings opportunities we may not have with a smaller building (despite its 'bare bones')

She may not be pretty, or have all the latest makeup, but she can still rock.
Agreed

And Global Spectrum has been putting in some decent coin to bring it up to acceptable standards.
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Canadiens' AHL team moving from Hamilton to St. John's: reports
'Strong chance' Jets will move IceCaps to Winnipeg

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^Weird. Thought they were headed to Laval.
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2015, 12:55 AM
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Doesn't surprise me. We've never really supported the team very well in terms of attendance anyway. Hamilton: an NHL town that will never have an NHL team.
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^Weird. Thought they were headed to Laval.
From what I have heard on other sites, they are only moving to St John for 2 years then they will move on to Laval. At least thats what is being reported in the Montreal media.
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2015, 11:27 PM
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^Weird. Thought they were headed to Laval.
Not sure why the cbc article omits it. But the spec article outlines the situation better. They would be moving to St johns for 2 years until the laval arena is complete. Allowing St johns to secure another team permanently because Winnipeg is moving their farm team either to winnpeg or thunder bay.

http://www.thespec.com/sports-story/...milton-report/

Under this new scenario, the Canadiens' minor leaguers would play out of St. John's for two years before finally making their move to Laval. That would buy them the time they need and buy the folks in Newfoundland a couple of years to find a permanent tenant.

As for Hamilton, it is widely believed an Ontario Hockey League team will ultimately land at FirstOntario Centre. Rumours have been swirling in Erie that Andlauer is about to buy the Otters which have been for sale for some time and whose owner, Sherry Bassin, is motivated to sell.
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^But does anybody actually think the OHL will work here...again? Did it ever really work? There were a few very brief moments when the Steelhawks, playing out of Mtn Arena, were a thing but...
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^But does anybody actually think the OHL will work here...again? Did it ever really work? There were a few very brief moments when the Steelhawks, playing out of Mtn Arena, were a thing but...


Ya i dont think it will work here. Copps is far too big. It wont be supported any better than what the bulldogs draw now. Hamilton would only be truly succesful with an nhl team. And we know that isnt happening.
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Ya i dont think it will work here. Copps is far too big. It wont be supported any better than what the bulldogs draw now. Hamilton would only be truly succesful with an nhl team. And we know that isnt happening.
I wonder if there's a way to go beyond just closing off the seating in the upper deck- some sort of convertible top that could shrink the airspace in that area too. ipeven if you pack the lower bowl, it feels too large.

Copps is classic civic folly. Built for the NHL team we'll never get, too large to destroy (plus it's paid for so it’s cheap), and in a prime location. Building a new 8-10k arena would be the most stupid thing the city could do, so I sort of expect they will. Unfortunately, I think the best course is keep doing what they're doing (concerts, events, etc), and find another AHL/OHL team. Or both. And hope and pray we get considered if/when the NHL looks at the GTA for expansion(a massive long shot).
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I wonder if there's a way to go beyond just closing off the seating in the upper deck- some sort of convertible top that could shrink the airspace in that area too. ipeven if you pack the lower bowl, it feels too large.

Copps is classic civic folly. Built for the NHL team we'll never get, too large to destroy (plus it's paid for so it’s cheap), and in a prime location. Building a new 8-10k arena would be the most stupid thing the city could do, so I sort of expect they will. Unfortunately, I think the best course is keep doing what they're doing (concerts, events, etc), and find another AHL/OHL team. Or both. And hope and pray we get considered if/when the NHL looks at the GTA for expansion(a massive long shot).
Ya I agree. Keep leasing it out to concerts and events. This year they've had a couple 17 000 sold out concerts. The private managers are doing a decent job of booking the place.

I guess they could use this curtain system like BC Place, but it may obstruct the views from the pressbox.



Also does anyone know if the upper bowl seats have been replaced to match the lower bowl? If not are there plans in place to have this done? I think once all the seats are replaced to dark blue it would be nice to paint the press box a different colour than that bright orange.
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Is it inconceivable that Hamilton could get another NHL team's AHL team? They seem to move around a bit. Although having Montreal as the affiliate was probably the best besides the Leafs.
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