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Old Posted Sep 20, 2018, 4:39 PM
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Brightline's specialty is capitalizing on real estate adjacencies, and where could be better to do this than Vegas? While I expect they are planning/hoping to at least break even on operations in the long run, they are probably relying on their real estate plays to finance their capital costs. This is the model that built many railroads throughout the world, from huge concerns like Seibu and Tokyu in Japan all the way down to small town streetcars, but most relevant in this case is the FEC which historically was well-known for placing resorts and developing towns - they are basically the grandfather of nearly all development on Florida's atlantic coast. So this is very much in their DNA.

So, to really follow their business model in Vegas, I expect they will basically be building their own casino.

This is also why I suspect they're pushing forward so quickly with the link from Orlando to Tampa. The route along I-4 puts them through the heart of the I-Drive/Disney World area. I would expect them to have a station there along with a lot of adjacent development in terms of hotels/resorts/condos/timeshares/etc, and lots of agreements with the theme parks and attractions. I suspect that this area has in fact been their Orlando destination all along, rather than the Airport, since there is not much potential to add development at the Orlando airport. Plenty of potential for it on I-Drive.

Everybody repeat after me: Brightline is a real estate company, not a transportation company.
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2018, 6:32 PM
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I wonder if Brightline will someday be able to offer some sort of onboard casino gaming on the Las Vegas route. Could be a way to pay for eventual future electrification.
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Old Posted Sep 26, 2018, 4:27 AM
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I wonder if Brightline will someday be able to offer some sort of onboard casino gaming on the Las Vegas route. Could be a way to pay for eventual future electrification.
Unfortunately not, I don't think they allowed to. There's no gambling on the train.
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Old Posted Oct 4, 2018, 12:13 AM
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FDOT Has Agreed To Provide Funding For A Midtown Miami Train Station

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Midtown Miami will soon have its first train station, offering Tri-Rail service.

The Florida Department Of Transportation announced this week that they would match local funding for the project, making it fully funded. The other half of funding is being provided by Miami-Dade County and the city of Miami.

The demonstration station is to be located at 36th Street, between Midtown Miami and the Design District. Tri-Rail will offer connections from downtown Miami’s MiamiCentral through Palm Beach County. City trolleys will also stop at the Midtown station.

The project will be funded for a duration of three years. If deemed successful, operation will continue.

Other areas inside of Miami being studied for Tri-Rail stations include 79th Street.

Tri-Rail still doesn’t have an exact date when service will launch into downtown Miami, but it is expected sometime in 2019.
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2018, 3:14 PM
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Great news ! They say operations will continue "If deemed successful".
How can it not be successful? Midtown is booming!


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Old Posted Oct 9, 2018, 12:04 AM
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Done Deal: Brightline Finalizes Construction Bids For Miami To Orlando Route, Financing In Place


https://www.thenextmiami.com/done-de...cing-in-place/
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2018, 1:56 PM
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now that is great news.

i am so glad ohio could pitch in on jumpstarting this brightline project via that nitwit governor kasich giving back ohio 3C rail project fed money so that florida could scoop it up.
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2018, 2:15 AM
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now that is great news.

i am so glad ohio could pitch in on jumpstarting this brightline project via that nitwit governor kasich giving back ohio 3C rail project fed money so that florida could scoop it up.
I agree - but - your mixing up different stuff
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americ...Transportation
this link info is 10 years old - back when the nitwit governor Scott from florida
gave back money yada yada yada
the florida governor is 2*dumb and also a crook
Also the brightline is separate subject from this.
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2018, 4:44 AM
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Curious if its impacting ridership on Tri-Rail?

I'm partly joking but I see another business opportunity for them... being paid to plan, design, build rail projects across the country for local govt/agencies then handing the keys over to them. Not to sound like a pro-business anti-government nut, but its pretty clear they are doing these in a fraction of the time and likely much less cost and unfortunately our governments are just not set up and suited to getting rail projects done efficiently. Its largely our dysfunctional political system and lack of real regional governments (just stupid worthless states or the inept federal government).
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2018, 5:28 PM
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Brightline, Virgin form strategic partnership; Brightline will be called Virgin Trains USA
https://www.wptv.com/news/state/brig...ic-partnership

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Brightline has announced that it has formed a strategic partnership and trademark licensing agreement with the Virgin Group.

It says the agreement will establish a new brand and will rename itself Virgin Trains USA this month.

Virgin will make a minority investment in Brightline, which will still be managed and operated by Brightline’s executive team as well as affiliates of Fortress Investment Group, the rail service said.
More investment is good, but I'm sad about the rebranding. I like the Brightline brand, and I don't think the Virgin brand has much to offer in comparison.

But whatever, so long as the trains keep running and the system keeps expanding to Orland, Tampa, and Las Vegas.
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They hope to have the line to Tampa operational in 2021. Stops would in Downtown Tampa, Lakeland, Celebration and Orlando. The average one-way fare between Tampa and Orlando would be $35.

Brightline-Virgin proposal for Tampa-to-Orlando rail service clears key state hurdle

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Virgin has projected 2.9 million passengers a year for the Tampa-to-Orlando line. With Virgin's trains moving at up to 125 mph, the company expects to offer a one-hour trip between the two cities, compared with 90 minutes by car and 2 hours and 5 minutes for Amtrak’s Silver Star.
https://www.tampabay.com/business/br...sion-20181128/
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Old Posted Nov 29, 2018, 10:08 PM
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I know we're all supposed to not complain and just be glad we're getting what we're getting and everything, but this is still a far cry from the actual real HSR system the state should have been building if it wasn't for political shortsightedness.
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2018, 1:11 AM
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I know we're all supposed to not complain and just be glad we're getting what we're getting and everything, but this is still a far cry from the actual real HSR system the state should have been building if it wasn't for political shortsightedness.
I agree the usa just dosnt do HSR so take what you get, plus I grew up in Fort Lauderdale downtown when it was all dead/homeless/dangerous. Now its pretty fancy nice upscale.
don't get me started on political short sightedness MAYBE 2020???
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I know we're all supposed to not complain and just be glad we're getting what we're getting and everything, but this is still a far cry from the actual real HSR system the state should have been building if it wasn't for political shortsightedness.

Yes, it will definitely be slower at max speeds, 125 mph vs 200 mph?
So how much slower will it be between Tampa and Orlando - where the FRA was willing to grant a couple of billion dollars for?
Fact required > Orlando Sentinel reports the rail corridor length as 88 miles
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/busi...128-story.html

Let's do the math:
88 miles / 125 mph = 0.704 hours x 60 minutes / hour = 42.5 minutes
88 miles / 200 mph = 0..440 hours c 60 minutes / hour = 26.5 minutes
Time saved = 42.5 - 26.5 = 16 minutes
State and Federal money saved using Brightline privately funded vs government funded at 2.7 billion dollars...
Source https://reason.org/wp-content/upload...l_analysis.pdf
Back then the FHSR corridor was projected to be only 84 miles in length vs the 88 projected now.

What can government fund with the saved 2.7 billion dollars?
16 minutes for rail passengers between Orlando and Tampa, at a cost of $168 Million per minute.
Some more math = $2.7 billion / 16 minutes = $168.75 million per minute.

Of course, Brightline might spend more or they might spend less, but that's private money being spent, not government money. It is not a terrible state of circumstances for private enterprise to provide a service instead of the government.

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The estimated cost of the system between Tampa and Orlando is $1.7 billion:

https://www.tampabay.com/business/br...cket-20181119/
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An official Brightline planning document with some maps of the Tampa extension, including detailed maps of how they intend to reach the I-4 corridor, as well as some of the proposed cross-sections. Very cool.

http://www.fdot.gov/procurement/pdf/...%2011-5-18.pdf
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An official Brightline planning document with some maps of the Tampa extension, including detailed maps of how they intend to reach the I-4 corridor, as well as some of the proposed cross-sections. Very cool.

http://www.fdot.gov/procurement/pdf/...%2011-5-18.pdf
wow nice link love me some PDF's
so where is the station location in Lakeland?
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Old Posted Dec 4, 2018, 1:58 PM
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The station would have been at Florida Poly off I-4 in the old high speed rail plan. This looks like they'd dusted off that same route, so I'd assume it would be in the same spot, which is miles outside of Lakeland's core area.
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I know we're all supposed to not complain and just be glad we're getting what we're getting and everything, but this is still a far cry from the actual real HSR system the state should have been building if it wasn't for political shortsightedness.
There won't even be a Brightline in a year or two, unless the state takes it over. Ridership isn't even one-third of projections.

Brightline will have to be a state-subsidized system, or it won't exist. Simple as that. And if the state takes it over, they will have to integrate with Tri-Rail, or what's the point?
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There won't even be a Brightline in a year or two, unless the state takes it over. Ridership isn't even one-third of projections.

Brightline will have to be a state-subsidized system, or it won't exist. Simple as that. And if the state takes it over, they will have to integrate with Tri-Rail, or what's the point?
It's still under construction. We don't even know what the TOD and supplementing infrastructure numbers are and how they play into the overall investment picture. I don't think we'll have an accurate financial idea on Brightline until the TOD under construction and the connection into Orlando is completed. Also, the current plan is to integrate Tri-Rail between WPB and Miami.
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