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Old Posted Mar 25, 2013, 11:32 AM
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harry, ... Thanks for the pictures. As for your captions:

Looks like the switching house was not the first thing built there.

The removal of the trees and timbered dock was allowed because the river is going to be filled along the east side of the parcel (not all of its length) and the "new land" is supposed to be used for the riverwalk. Unfortunate, but Hines and Levy convinced the IDNA it was necessary because the tracks are close to the river and the filled river is supposed to provide an adequate base for the plaza over the tracks. Both Hines and the City, through its DHED, applied for permits earlier this year for the riverfront fill and construction. Both applications were granted and permits have been issued.

Let's see what it looks like when it's all over. It will be different, but hopefully pretty and uniform and not too sterile.

(BTW, the City recently applied for a permit to fill and build the new riverwalk on the south side of the river out to the end of the bridge footings from the State St. bridge to the Lake St. bridge. The original plan was to float the riverwalk on platforms. Not any longer.

There is another plan to fill the river on the north side, too, and take out the natural bluff and vegetation. Looks like our Chicago River could end up being almost as narrow as San Antonio's stream. lol.)

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Old Posted Mar 25, 2013, 4:44 PM
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Dear Lord, the tragic loss of of this natural bluff and vegetation is just unspeakable.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2013, 5:02 PM
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What's with the whining about a bunch of trees? This isn't some river bank in Yellowstone National Park, guys. This is the commercial core in the heart of a major global city. Natural landscapes sometimes lose out to manmade ones...
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2013, 5:05 PM
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I think he was being sarcastic. It's nothing that special and this section of the river is far from natural.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2013, 5:46 PM
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What's with the whining about a bunch of trees? This isn't some river bank in Yellowstone National Park, guys. This is the commercial core in the heart of a major global city. Natural landscapes sometimes lose out to manmade ones...
Sarcasm - colored by the brisk pace of tree removal out in Oak Park (beetles). I was glad to see the trees and vines preserved across the river at 180 N Wacker.
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2013, 5:47 PM
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Looks like our Chicago River could end up being almost as narrow as San Antonio's stream. lol.)
No it won't. . .

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Old Posted Mar 25, 2013, 6:31 PM
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Buildings like Riverbend sure don't help make our river less narrow.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2013, 9:17 PM
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2013, 9:53 PM
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No it won't. . .
indeed. the chicago river may not be the mighty mississippi, but it is a significantly larger body of water than the intimate little stream that flows though downtown san antonio. the main branch of the chicago river is around 200-250 ft. wide. the san antonion riverwalk "river" is around 25-30' wide.

that's almost an order of magnitude difference!
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What's with the whining about a bunch of trees? This isn't some river bank in Yellowstone National Park, guys. This is the commercial core in the heart of a major global city. Natural landscapes sometimes lose out to manmade ones...
I love you. That sums it up. In the Loop, humans are the dominant species. We wear shoes. Hard surfaces keep our shoes from being encased in mud. Fancy bars and restaurants like their patrons' shoes to be mud-free. So beavers loose.Fancy-spanky people win.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2013, 11:14 PM
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indeed. the chicago river may not be the mighty mississippi, but it is a significantly larger body of water than the intimate little stream that flows though downtown san antonio. the main branch of the chicago river is around 200-250 ft. wide. the san antonion riverwalk "river" is around 25-30' wide.

that's almost an order of magnitude difference!
I'm sitting here looking at a plan attached to the permit application notice mailed to me by the Army Corps for the "Boardwalk" (Franklin to Lake) section that will be planted with a water garden [with a suspended walkway] or flowers [with a path down the middle] (2 alternatives shown) that fills in a little over 50' of the existing river. From State to Franklin it's 25'. And, the underbridge connectors lop off about another 12-15' in front of the bridge footings.

CDOT has pictures now. http://www.cityofchicago.org/city/en...riverwalk.html

Look, that part of the riverwalk's going to look magnificent and I think the project's going to be a great asset for the City. But, the riverwalk and connectors the city wants to build along the south facade of lower Wacker will alone substantially narrow the river. And, that's just 1 of the 3 fills at the confluence. It will look very different but, IMO, very good from the River Point plaza.

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So they're considering a number of options for the pedestrian path? One of them is to fill part of the river for a pathway and another is for a suspended walkway? What kind of volume of pedestrian activity does that area get? Is it mostly just for recreation or actual commutes?

In Austin we have our hike & bike trail. It's mostly for recreation, but downtown residents do use it to get around. There is a mile long gap that is finally being completed with a suspended "boardwalk" walkway on pylons over sections of the river. There are a few sections along the river where existing development from the 1980s built right up to the riverbank and didn't allow an easement for the existing hike & bike trail to be finished. So in those areas the hike & bike trail extension will be carried on piers.

Here is the construction thread on it with renderings showing it. They've finished with the pylons and are starting the decks.

Austin's Colorado River through downtown averages around 400 feet wide with the widest sections being up to 700 feet wide. The boardwalk structures being built in Austin appear to be just 10 to 12 feet wide, so I think even on a significantly narrower river they still wouldn't clutter up a river too much.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=199818
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2013, 11:46 AM
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Is it mostly just for recreation or actual commutes? ... I think even on a significantly narrower river they still wouldn't clutter up a river too much.
Recreation and think again. See the link provided.

You sort of have to have seen the area to understand what's happening here. The riverwalk concept has worked from State St. eastward to Lake Shore Drive. All that area (both sides) was developed without the need to fill any substantial portion of the Chicago River.

But, in the section where the linked-above new sections of the riverwalk will be built, there is no private ownership of the property adjoining the river and, for almost a century, a major 2-level street has existed along the south boundary. (Private ownership with no intervening streets extends all along the north boundary.) That north side has been developed without the need for filling in the river. The south (publicly owned) shore is now going to be developed with fill. The privately owned undeveloped areas to the south and west (River Point) where the river splits are also requesting to fill (rather than dedicate) land for the riverwalk.

The area adjacent to the 3 planned fills is shown in this short video of the traffic when the sailboats are sailing up the river going to and from their docks in the lake (it's the heaviest traffic of the year; just remove the sailboats; in the past 3 years river traffic for watertaxis and boat tours has only increased). Skip the ads and watch (video shot from along the banks of the "to be filled" for 50' out area known as the Boardwalk):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWxBS_QsFow

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I'm sitting here looking at a plan attached to the permit application notice mailed to me by the Army Corps for the "Boardwalk" (Franklin to Lake) section that will be planted with a water garden [with a suspended walkway] or flowers [with a path down the middle] (2 alternatives shown) that fills in a little over 50' of the existing river. From State to Franklin it's 25'. And, the underbridge connectors lop off about another 12-15' in front of the bridge footings.
there will be significant river filling for the state-lake riverwalk. however, when it's all said and done, it will still be nothing at all like the tiny little, intimate, tree-covered stream that flows through downtown san antonio. that's all i was saying.
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jarta. . . we're talking about 444 West Lake in this thread. . . please do not derail this conversation with your frivolous complaints regarding the size of the Chicago River. . . if you can't help yourself then please post a new thread in the appropriate sub-forum. . . [/rhetorical]

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Old Posted Mar 26, 2013, 6:09 PM
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Updated schedule. I'll continue to post these as I receive them.

Dear Residents:

Below is a summary of the work on River Point which will take place this week (all work will take place during daytime hours).

Week of March 25

- Site Preparation – tree removal and debris clean-up is complete.

- Survey Work – The contractor will conduct a laser scan of site on Tuesday, 3/26.

- Equipment Delivery – The crane will be delivered on Monday, April 1. The drill rig will be delivered on Tuesday, April 2.

- Excavation – Approximately 30 loads of stone will be removed from the south portion of the site and relocated to the existing parking lot starting on Tuesday, March 26.

- Barge Delivery – The earliest date the barge will be delivered is Thursday 3/28. Delivery requires three days of acceptable weather conditions, including limited wind. (Note: the barge could be delivered on Saturday or Sunday.) The barge will be anchored at the edge of the river. No work on the river’s edge is expected to take place before the week of April 15, however material will be staged on the barge.

- Planter Removal/Access – The demolition of the S. planter in front of River Bend will take place on Wednesday, March 27 starting at 10AM. Restoration of the sidewalk will take place on Thursday, March 28.

- Rebar delivery – Rebar material was delivered last week. Some additional material may take place this week, along with assembly of rebar cages.

- Caisson work – The earliest date for drilling caissons is Tuesday, 4/2. Work will take place from 8AM – 4PM (pending coordination with Amtrak flaggers and track personnel) During this time, caisson drill rigs will be staged on site. Concrete trucks will arrive on site throughout the day, and dirt/spoils will be removed from the site during the day in dump trucks. (20 – 30 trips total – 10 – 15 ea for concrete and dump trucks)
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2013, 7:31 PM
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Thank you MV2 ! great to hear about stuff before it happens in such detail.
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2013, 9:04 PM
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Thank you MV2 ! great to hear about stuff before it happens in such detail.
Actually, the destruction of the RiverBend planter started this afternoon, not tomorrow at 10 am. No big deal. Expected things are happening. It's underway!
     
     
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Drove past last night to see the 1st crawler crane has been delivered.
     
     
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I saw a barge this morning around 6am moving something. I was driving past, so it was difficult to see what it was.
     
     
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