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i think there cool. im not great at computers but in the pic below are buildings connected with decks. the middle is a park, then around the whole thing is where the street would be. subway in the middle in the park would be nice.

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are all of those lines the electrified perimeter?
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while this kind of stuff is typically pretty wretched from an urban design perspective, i'm still sad that the original highrise design for Betrand Goldberg's River City project in Chicago's south loop was never realized.


source: https://www.pinterest.com/jenspreitz...rand-goldberg/
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while this kind of stuff is typically pretty wretched from an urban design perspective, i'm still sad that the original highrise design for Betrand Goldberg's River City project in Chicago's south loop was never realized.


source: https://www.pinterest.com/jenspreitz...rand-goldberg/
is all of that greenspace the remainder of the city of chicago? just curious of the scale.
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is all of that greenspace the remainder of the city of chicago? just curious of the scale.
LOL!

the towers are ~70 floors.

the green space in the model is generic, not specific. the original site plan had 5 clumps of these towers strung along the east bank of the south branch of the river (where the riverline mega-project is currently underway, and where Related's "The 78" is slated for). all told, it would have housed something on the order of 15,000 people.


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LOL!

the towers are ~70 floors.

the green space in the model is generic, not specific. the original site plan had 5 clumps of these towers strung along the east bank of the south branch of the river (where the riverline mega-project is currently underway, and where Related's "The 78" is slated for). all told, it would have housed something on the order of 15,000 people.


source: http://bertrandgoldberg.org/projects/river-city/
It looks like they were designed to launch into space in the event of an apocalypse.
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i wish my pic looked like that. i blew it
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that's a lot larger than i expected.
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Thank God that never came to fruition.
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This is in effect the whole Courbousien 'streets in the sky' ideal, where terra firma becomes the abode of cars and people walk around on walkways above, ultimately
becoming a second layer of street. The City of London (the Square Mile financial district) tried unsuccessfully to implement such a plan in the 1970s, leading to the absolute
mazes around the Barbican centre, and walkways to nowhere ending in blank walls when the scheme was finally abandoned. To access the brutalist centre (arts, gardens,
millionaire apartments, concert hall, Museum of London) the easiest way is to actually walk through the traffic tunnel they once thought would only be for cars. The crowd of
people all doing the same thing shows the failure of the scheme.





a web of coloured lines were later installed to help people head to the different destinations, as without them there were no landmarks whatsoever.





A more up to date scheme is the Sliced Porosity block in Chengdu




www.designboom.com



though it still has porousness with the world outside via steps down to street level


www.stevenholl.com

Also Linked Hybrid in Beijing by the same architects





www.archdaily.news


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www.mimoa.eu
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the easiest way is to actually walk through the traffic tunnel they once thought would only be for cars. The crowd of
people all doing the same thing shows the failure of the scheme.
The problem is that we don't live in the 19th century anymore.

You can call these kinds of multi-level schemes a failure, but we still shop in shopping malls, live in large residential complexes. We drive to these places, and these places receive countless deliveries in large trucks. We're not going back to the city of small independent shopkeepers and little apartment buildings (except in places where this already exists).

So, if you have to design developments on a giant scale, and you have to handle large volumes of cars and trucks, then it makes sense to put the pedestrian realm on a higher level. If you don't, then the pedestrian experience is going to be miserable due to all the vehicles, and then those pedestrians will just start driving too.

Look at the so-called "lifestyle centers" in the US. They attempted to evoke traditional town centers, but since everybody was driving to these new centers, the developers had to give every scrap of open space over to parking. Gone are the plazas, courtyards, gardens, replaced by parking lots. At least with the multi-level developments, the design allows for public space to exist in significant quantity since it sits above all the needed parking and loading docks.

These new developments like the ones in China are a little less hubristic than the Barbican, as they don't require a full-scale demolition and redevelopment of the existing city to function.
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This is in effect the whole Courbousien 'streets in the sky' ideal, where terra firma becomes the abode of cars and people walk around on walkways above, ultimately
becoming a second layer of street. The City of London (the Square Mile financial district) tried unsuccessfully to implement such a plan in the 1970s, leading to the absolute
mazes around the Barbican centre, and walkways to nowhere ending in blank walls when the scheme was finally abandoned. To access the brutalist centre (arts, gardens,
millionaire apartments, concert hall, Museum of London) the easiest way is to actually walk through the traffic tunnel they once thought would only be for cars. The crowd of
people all doing the same thing shows the failure of the scheme.
As you pointed out, the Barbican's carefully planned, multilevel 'mazes' of walkways were left stranded when the City abandoned its ambitious scheme to separate pedestrians and vehicles, which in order to work would have had to be carried out on a larger scale. Nonetheless, everyone walking through the traffic tunnel is missing out on something, because the Barbican is absolutely one of my favorite places to stroll around in London. Whereas for typical urbanism, the street is simply a vulgar catchbasin for all modes of transit between vertically stacked grids of neutral space, the Barbican's ascending and descending sequences of interpenetrating public areas offer a more interesting alternative, an architecture whose wayfinding and vertical dimension is complicated and engaging -- as illustrated in the section below:



Or in this photo, depicting a series of public terraces and private balconies overlooking a public square:



It's not like the Barbican is really some sort of 'failure', as you describe it -- people are dying to live there, and the smallest of those flats is worth a fortune.

Anyhow what, in principle, is wrong with separating pedestrians and vehicles? The town of Guanajuato, Mexico, did it a couple decades earlier than the Barbican (converting 19th-century underground drainage canals for vehicle traffic), and the results are rather lovely:








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It looks like there’s commons areas but there’s no stores. It’s lacking trees too. Those are like the main points to superblocks.
Not only does it have trees, it has a whole conservatory for tropical and desert flora, complete with ponds for aquatic plants and multilevel walkways; it's London's second-largest conservatory after Kew Gardens -- all built around the fly towers of Barbican Theatre, home of the Royal Shakespeare Company, which is directly below it.



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It looks like there’s commons areas but there’s no stores. It’s lacking trees too. Those are like the main points to superblocks.
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Th Barbican used to have shops (rubber hosing suppliers anyone?), but closed due to the utter lack of footfall. The one in Chengdu has stores, but the one in Beijing I think is just an office/ residential and art gallery.
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superfort would be a cool name. instead of malls have these with parking under the buildings
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i think there cool. im not great at computers but in the pic below are buildings connected with decks. the middle is a park, then around the whole thing is where the street would be. subway in the middle in the park would be nice.

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You're about 70 years too late! Some genius came up with this idea in New York. Take note of the nice park like setting in between the buildings, it's probably really peaceful there. What could possibly go wrong?

http://observer.com/2015/04/city-on-...ople-of-nycha/
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That looks like buildings in a park. I’d live there though

After reading that link never mind. In small cities people get hit by cars, but in big cities people get shot and stabbed all the time.

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San Francisco is currently building this grouping--3 of the 4 buildings are built, the fourth has just broken ground--called Trinity Plaza by Archtectonica (of Miami). It doesn't take up the full block--about ½--and the original design, which was controversial itself, has had some of its best features "value engineered" away, but it will accomplish the benefit of adding a lot of people living on Mid-Market which everyone hopes will send the street people there somewhere else (since Market is SF's central artery for transit and almost everything else).














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the buildings i made would be too big for normal blocks. with a city where people bike it wouldnt matter (walking would suck). also make wide subway trains so theres room for bikes
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the long building in the middle is for cars. its many car lanes wide and theres a bunch of floors. every other lane is parked cars so a driverless car can drive in a lane with no cars and goes to a elevator. or it could be a car share and a lot of cars can fit there. or there could be both.

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theres a elevator or a bunch of them at both end of the long buildings to move cars up and down.

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