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Old Posted Oct 18, 2018, 3:10 PM
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My apologies if this has been discussed before, but what are the chances our light rail will be converted to low floor in our lifetimes? Our rail cars are butt ugly and the whole stairs & handicap ramp set up just seems too clunky for 2018.

If we have to spend tons of money to replace aging cars anyway, why not convert?
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Old Posted Oct 18, 2018, 3:56 PM
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My apologies if this has been discussed before, but what are the chances our light rail will be converted to low floor in our lifetimes? Our rail cars are butt ugly and the whole stairs & handicap ramp set up just seems too clunky for 2018.

If we have to spend tons of money to replace aging cars anyway, why not convert?
You're talking about an organization that has had the same brand ("The Ride") for decades despite the fact that not a single person on earth has ever referred to Denver's transit system as such. I think they have made it fairly clear they have no intent on changing anytime soon.
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Old Posted Oct 18, 2018, 5:42 PM
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You're talking about an organization that has had the same brand ("The Ride") for decades despite the fact that not a single person on earth has ever referred to Denver's transit system as such. I think they have made it fairly clear they have no intent on changing anytime soon.
RTD probably won't consider a low-floor vehicle replacement until the majority of the 200-vehicle LRV fleet is ready to be replaced. Given that a light rail vehicles life is at least 40 years we're probably talking the late 2020's to early 2030's when RTD will look at going low-floor followed by a phased replacement with some lines going low-floor before others. But nearly all the stations are set up to accommodate such a change now that the wheelchair ramps are metal structures that can be removed relatively easy.
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Old Posted Oct 19, 2018, 3:49 PM
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I mean, why expect an iPhone XS when you can get a fax machine (and a busted ass dot matrix monochrome sign at your light rail station).
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2 of Denver largest suburbs seek transportation funding on November ballot
Oct 19, 2018 By Ed Sealover – Reporter, Denver Business Journal
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The initiatives are part of more than a half-dozen local transportation questions that voters will have to consider ... as an August survey from the Colorado Municipal League found that cities and towns have an aggregate $3 billion shortfall for needed transportation improvements and another $750 million in maintenance needs.
With respect to Arvada and Lakewood:
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Lakewood is asking voters if it can retain excess revenues under the Taxpayer’s Bill of Rights cap through 2025 and put them toward public safety, transportation and open space and parks purchases. And Arvada is asking residents for permission to sell $79.8 million in bonds to improve two of its major corridors.
Here's the local tie-in to Prop 110
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there is more of a focus on transportation now as citizens across the state debate what they are willing to do to improve that sector — and as many city leaders ask voters specifically to back the statewide transportation sales-tax hike in addition to local ballot questions.

“I think this election is huge,” Bommer said in regard to the future of transportation in the state. “Municipalities are always going to go to their voters and ask for support for whatever they need ... If we want to look past that and see where we want to be, we’ve got to do something different.”
Bommer heads up the Colorado Municipal League.

Does communities asking for local tax increases for roads help or hurt the cause of Prop 110?
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Paul (Lakewood Mayor) in particular is embracing a strategy of asking city residents to support both the statewide sales-tax increase and the local measure, saying they work hand-in-hand.
I'm also seeing support and endorsements coming from the I-70 West corridor all the way to Grand Junction.

Two problems: normally a tax-increase issue needs to be poll ahead at this point in the election cycle as historically many voters get 'buyers remorse' on the way to voting. 2nd, this year's ballot is so heavily cluttered with initiatives it can dampen 'approval enthusiasm.' That said, this is when many voters are just dialing in and thinking about their voting preferences.

The biggest advantage of Prop 110 should be that it includes local funding. Everybody complains about congestion. Now's their chance to do something about it.
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Old Posted Oct 19, 2018, 5:36 PM
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Image courtesy of King Co via Curbed Seattle

King County Metro will experiment with ride-hailing app
Oct 17, 2018 By Sarah Anne Lloyd - Curbed Seattle

This is what I've been talking about.
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As the Seattle area grows, it’s become increasingly difficult to find parking at park and rides, making taking the bus or train a little difficult for people living off transit corridors. Efforts to address these challenges are often referred to as first and last-mile solutions—or micromobility or microtransit.
King County's experiment:
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The shuttle, called Ride2, is operated by Chariot and Ford Smart Mobility.

Later this month... Eastside commuters within two or three miles of the Eastgate Park and Ride will be able to summon a shuttle service—with wheelchair-accessible shuttles available upon request—to carry them to and from their transit connections.
To see a visual representation of the area Click Here.
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Old Posted Oct 19, 2018, 7:06 PM
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Transit in Seattle - An overview
as opposed to Denver Transit

From an overview it's fair to say that Seattle has had a very checkered past with plenty of missteps relative to transit - like any place does. Fortunately for Seattle that is now ancient history.

Do you prefer First Class fare or a Value fare?
At this point Seattle goes First Class with respect to their transit. Any value engineering goes to trimming excess Wish Lists piled on by communities. Denver, otoh, tends more towards a value proposition. Being a value kind of a guy, I can see and appreciate - wait for it - the value of that.

Initiating light rail in Seattle
Seattle's initial light rail (according to Wikipedia) was 13.9 miles and opened in 2009. IIRC ridership went from mid-20,000 to over 30,000 between 2012 and 2015.

Then this happened
The line was expanded to 20.4 miles with the most recent extensions including a tunnel to the University of Washington on one end and to SeaTac (airport ) and Angie Lake on the other end in 2016. This opened up the ridership floodgates with an updated weekday ridership of currently over 80,000 - compared to RTD's ridership of ~25,000 on both the SW and SE corridors.

In one respect Seattle is more like Phoenix than Denver
Phoenix also had one obvious transit corridor that was converted from bus to light rail. It runs between two urban centers (Phoenix and Tempe) with an airport stop in between. From an original line of 20 miles to now 26 miles weekday ridership is currently at 48,000. Phoenix light rail is primarily an Urban Line as I assume is Seattle's Central Link light rail.

Denver on the other hand
didn't have an that one obvious transit corridor other than East Colfax which didn't have priority appeal among decision makers. Denver's initial light rail ran from Broadway Station through downtown Denver which made total sense and still does.
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Old Posted Oct 20, 2018, 12:16 AM
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Sea-Tac was more like 2010. Angle Lake was 2016.
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Roads, bridges and what else?

http://www.cpr.org/news/story/the-ex...09-or-prop-110
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The transportation debate has reached a fever pitch in Colorado: What to do about worn-out roads, debilitating commutes and transit.
CPR held a debate between Props 109 and 110. The debate itself was rather lame but this is interesting.
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In a recent national survey, more than a third of Denver respondents described their commutes as worse than they were five years ago. And 20 percent said they had quit jobs because of painful commutes. On Twitter, people told CPR News they had even turned down offers for good jobs because of the drive time.
In news out of Fort Collins:

Coloradoan editorial board endorsement: On transportation, yes to 110, not so fast on 109
Oct. 21, 2018 By Kevin Duggan, Fort Collins Coloradoan
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The Coloradoan editorial board supports Proposition 110 even with its tax increase. It’s high time the state had a dedicated revenue stream to fund transportation in its many and evolving forms.
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As a state, we shouldn’t be pitting widening a highway against providing health care insurance to residents who need it most.

Proposition 109 would fund only roads and bridges: Multi-modal transportation would not be part of the mix. That’s a short-sighted approach to transportation, especially as the state’s urban centers grow and alternative transportation, such as transit, becomes increasingly relevant.

The Coloradoan editorial board does not support Proposition 109.
Playing the healthcare card, specifically, goes to something that voters care a lot about. It's worth noting that if Colorado were to cut $200 million from Medicaid costs then they would lose $200 million in matching federal funds. That $400 million hit to the "system" brings up other (not good) questions.
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Clarence Falls in Love with Metromover

Pick your route running from Denver's Civic Center Station to Union Station.

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How about Broadway to 18th Street to Wewatta Street?

Metromover
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The Metromover serves primarily as an alternative way to travel within the greater Downtown Miami neighborhoods. The system is composed of three loops and 21 stations. The stations are located approximately two blocks away from each other, and connect near all major buildings and places in the Downtown area. Together with Metrorail, the system has seen steady ridership growth per annum, with an average of 105,500 daily passengers in 2013.
Miami Metromover is 4.4 miles long.
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