Can Craft Breweries Transform America's Post-Industrial Neighborhoods?

[M II A II R II K]

And craft weed could help too.

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by M II A II R II K

And craft weed could help too.

I'm for it! Great revenue source for revenue starved governments.

[photoLith]

Those maps show surprisingly few craft breweries in NYC and San Francisco. Hell, I bet Pittsburgh has both beat by a long shot.

[dc_denizen]

^ wouldn't be surprised. NYC is pathetic for craft beer

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by photoLith

Those maps show surprisingly few craft breweries in NYC and San Francisco. Hell, I bet Pittsburgh has both beat by a long shot.

There are very few places in the city of San Francisco to put a brewery and even fewer where it would make economic sense. In the article I posted right after the lead article in this thread it talks about plans form the local brad Anchor Steam to build a new brewery on a derelict pier because there's really nowhere on land for such an operation but even that has now fallen through due to a combination of finding that the cost to rehabilitate the pier is too high and especially too high for the new cost-conscious foreign buyer of Anchor Steam, Sapporo. Generally, if there aren't neighbors who would object to such a semi-industrial use, the cost of the land or space would be uneconomic.

I'd like to see a map showing the surrounding counties, though. I believe there are a number of craft breweries in Alameda, Sonoma, Napa and other counties just as there are all sorts of artisanal food (and wine) operations in these counties.

[aaron38]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

How does Germany protect its jobs more than France, Italy or Belgium?

It's a matter of degrees compared to us. My last product built for Europe required us to build in Hungary to have the legal minimum EU content.
If the US does that, it's protectionism. When the EU does it, its providing jobs to citizens.

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by aaron38

It's a matter of degrees compared to us. My last product built for Europe required us to build in Hungary to have the legal minimum EU content.
If the US does that, it's protectionism. When the EU does it, its providing jobs to citizens.

To the degree Europe does it, I'd like to see the US retaliate and they can start with beer and wine. We produce plenty of both that equals the European products in quality and if the highest end European brands were jacked up in price even more, it might stimulate more of the highest quality production here.

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

The Walmart economy is driven by american consumers. Trump lovers likely. I never shop at walmart. As I said, I buy almost anything I can that is locally made or grown.

How does Germany protect its jobs more than France, Italy or Belgium?

Since you are making this thread political....

Youre post screams " I am a rich liberal."

Most Americans don't have the option to buy locally made or grown things. They buy what is cheapest. Yes a lot of poor Obama and Trump voters shop at Walmart, if you have never been here, good for you. We don't all have the option to buy more expensive groceries or spend more for the same shit that is at walmart(pharmacy, bathroom stuff etc etc).

You hate Trump voters. Which is sad. I never hated Obama voters. BLM had a protest where 5 cops were shot. I still don't hate BLM. Liberals have so much hate I can only think that skinheads can match them.

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

Since you are making this thread political....

Youre post screams " I am a rich liberal."

Most Americans don't have the option to buy locally made or grown things. They buy what is cheapest. Yes a lot of poor Obama and Trump voters shop at Walmart, if you have never been here, good for you. We don't all have the option to buy more expensive groceries or spend more for the same shit that is at walmart(pharmacy, bathroom stuff etc etc).

You hate Trump voters. Which is sad. I never hated Obama voters. BLM had a protest where 5 cops were shot. I still don't hate BLM. Liberals have so much hate I can only think that skinheads can match them.

I despise racist trash. BLM included. I despise Trump because he's a liar, a fraud and con artist that duped a bunch of desperate people.

[dc_denizen]

Originally Posted by aaron38

It's a matter of degrees compared to us. My last product built for Europe required us to build in Hungary to have the legal minimum EU content.
If the US does that, it's protectionism. When the EU does it, its providing jobs to citizens.

you must not get it - see, according to the conventional wisdom on in the left upper class in the USA, America has a fundamental moral obligation, co-eval with our principles enshrined in the bill of rights or the declaration of independence, to support globalization and outsourcing of US jobs whenever and wherever possible, including (and especially) at the cost to our own social welfare, and industries. Even if the outsourcing comes at the benefit of highly developed economies that compete in the same product lines, like east Asia and Europe.

In fact, it's horrible that all these new craft brewers have come up. we should all be drinking Sol and Stella and Heineken, to spread our wealth around to poor countries like the Netherlands. Throw out your IPAs, get with the program you evil Yankees!

[SpawnOfVulcan]

Birmingham's downtown and surrounding urban neighborhoods have been completely transformed due to the presence of craft breweries.

Initially, Birmingham's Southside neighborhood was bringing in beer business, then came Lakeview, then cam Avondale. Now, it's all filling in. It's all encouraging some great redevelopment and residential activity.

So, yes, craft breweries can transform post-industrial neighborhoods.

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

Since you are making this thread political....

Youre post screams " I am a rich liberal."

Most Americans don't have the option to buy locally made or grown things. They buy what is cheapest.

I'm a comfortable moderate who shops at Walmart all the time as well as at Amazon and CostCo along with my rich liberal neighbors:

(A) Morgan Stanley survey shows demographics of Costco and Amazon members are relatively similar . . . . 57 percent of Costco members were also enrolled in (Amazon) Prime, according to its survey.

Costco members are slightly wealthier — about $93,000 average annual income vs. $87,000 for Prime members.

At 49, they’re also about four years older than Amazon Prime members. Yet that gap is not significant enough to “proclaim Amazon serves a younger customer,” the report says.

Costco members purchase groceries and large appliances there; Amazon has an edge in clothing, pet items and consumer electronics . . . .

http://www.seattletimes.com/business...e-survey-says/

Rich and not-so-rich alike, we all want bargains though maybe for different reasons. The no-so-rich may need them to survive whereas the rich just don't want to feel like chumps for paying more than they have to and like being able to brag to friends about the great bargains they got.

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by dc_denizen

we should all be drinking Sol and Stella and Heineken, to spread our wealth around to poor countries like the Netherlands. Throw out your IPAs, get with the program you evil Yankees!

Drink Anchor Steam now and support poor old Japan.

I used to express my politics in the bad old days before the iron curtain was lifted by drinking Pilsner Urquell (Czechoslovakia) but now it too belongs to a mega-conglomerate (SAB Miller).

[mhays]

Originally Posted by dc_denizen

you must not get it - see, according to the conventional wisdom on in the left upper class in the USA, America has a fundamental moral obligation, co-eval with our principles enshrined in the bill of rights or the declaration of independence, to support globalization and outsourcing of US jobs whenever and wherever possible, including (and especially) at the cost to our own social welfare, and industries. Even if the outsourcing comes at the benefit of highly developed economies that compete in the same product lines, like east Asia and Europe.

In fact, it's horrible that all these new craft brewers have come up. we should all be drinking Sol and Stella and Heineken, to spread our wealth around to poor countries like the Netherlands. Throw out your IPAs, get with the program you evil Yankees!

Do you think a single person in the US actually thinks this? Or that we're all stupid?

Trade proponents are trying to protect our exports, and some are trying to protect our access to cheap stuff. None of it (minus the sellouts) is about helping other countries at our expense.

[10023]

Originally Posted by dc_denizen

We have plenty of craft beer. What about craft power tools? Craft electric motors? Craft shipbuilding? Craft tires? Craft nuclear steam turbines?

The answer to all of this, really, is probably no.

"Craft" or "artisan" production really works only for consumer items and by definition at a relatively small scale. There are many well-known examples which have been around for hundreds of years - everything from Lodge cookware to Horwich leather. I buy almost everything in my home from them (even before moving abroad; I've still yet to set foot in a Wal-Mart in my life). These sorts of businesses are never going to create the abundance of semi-skilled labor jobs that mass production does.

[10023]

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

Drink Anchor Steam now and support poor old Japan.

I used to express my politics in the bad old days before the iron curtain was lifted by drinking Pilsner Urquell (Czechoslovakia) but now it too belongs to a mega-conglomerate (SAB Miller).

Actually they've now sold it to Asahi. It was one of the divestitures required to have their merger with InBev approved by competition authorities.

[10023]

Originally Posted by Pedestrian

To the degree Europe does it, I'd like to see the US retaliate and they can start with beer and wine. We produce plenty of both that equals the European products in quality and if the highest end European brands were jacked up in price even more, it might stimulate more of the highest quality production here.

The US is already producing the best beer outside of Belgium. Wine, not so much. I've tried some good Oregon pinots but I'm not a big fan of archetypal California styles - the reds are way too tannic and too alcoholic, and the whites are over-oaked.

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by 10023

Actually they've now sold it to Asahi. It was one of the divestitures required to have their merger with InBev approved by competition authorities.

So you can support the Japanese many ways with beer.

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by 10023

The US is already producing the best beer outside of Belgium. Wine, not so much. I've tried some good Oregon pinots but I'm not a big fan of archetypal California styles - the reds are way too tannic and too alcoholic, and the whites are over-oaked.

Uh huh. OK. Takes all tastes.

[niwell]

Originally Posted by dc_denizen

^ wouldn't be surprised. NYC is pathetic for craft beer

I wouldn't say pathetic, more just relatively sparse and late to the game. Other Half and Evil Twin in particular are doing some extremely innovative and well done stuff. Torst is one of the better beer bars in the country.