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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 5:11 PM
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Are there any plans to building a flyover at tower 18 for the brownline there? It could really use it in the morning rush hours!
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 6:33 PM
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No. Where would you put the third track without totally darkening the sidewalk?
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2018, 7:34 PM
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I don't know, I'm sure an engineer could figure something out. Maybe make the brown line a subway? I know the loop is sacred, but I kind of wish it would be a subway. Like you say it darkens the streets and is super noisy and annoying to walk under, standing on a outdoor platform in freezing windy winter day isn't fun, the tracks would last longer in a subway tunnel not exposed to the elements ect. There's a lot of practical reasons why a subway would be better. Without all those train intersections the trains could run at better headways if they had their own dedicated tracks.
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I don't know, I'm sure an engineer could figure something out. Maybe make the brown line a subway? I know the loop is sacred, but I kind of wish it would be a subway. Like you say it darkens the streets and is super noisy and annoying to walk under, standing on a outdoor platform in freezing windy winter day isn't fun, the tracks would last longer in a subway tunnel not exposed to the elements ect. There's a lot of practical reasons why a subway would be better. Without all those train intersections the trains could run at better headways if they had their own dedicated tracks.
There were proposals in 1968 to submerge the entire Loop, in the same plan that presented the Monroe subway to Streeterville and McCormick Place.
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Yea, that would have been good. I also really like the Franklin subway they planned in 1977. Basically the brownline would enter a rapid subway from around North/Larrabee and go south to Roosevelt with stops along the way. That would have been great!

Instead they used the federal money for the blue line to Ohare and Midway line which were needed as well. But I think those other lines should have been built too at some point. Maybe if we ever get a National Infrastructure bill passed.

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There were proposals in 1968 to submerge the entire Loop, in the same plan that presented the Monroe subway to Streeterville and McCormick Place.
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I don't think a one-seat ride from the North Side to the West Loop is a good goal. CTA should instead focus on making the transfers as easy and painless as possible. Put in a direct connection at State/Lake so Red Line folks don't have to cram through two turnstiles. Do the same at Jackson, with a structure in Pritzker Park that links down to the Red/Blue transfer tunnel. This should have been done decades ago, when the plans to tear down the Loop were officially shelved and downtown land was still relatively cheap.

Just get rid of the pain points (cheap compared to a new subway) and people will happily change trains. Especially during peak times when frequency is very high.

I've also thought for a long time that the city should put in the road infrastructure (street connections, bridges, etc) to allow for a north/south bus route roughly along Racine, halfway between Ashland and Halsted. This would hit the center of the West Loop employment cluster, and if the bridges are bus-only, the route would become a faster alternative to the slow, congestion-plagued Halsted bus. It would basically go from the Fullerton station south to Goose Island, the Chicago Blue Line stop, West Loop, UIC. Eventually could be extended down Loomis into Bridgeport for an Orange Line connection.
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Yea, transfer tunnels should have been done a long time ago as well.

Why isn't direct access from the northside to the west loop a good goal? That's where all the new office construction is going. See Google, McDonalds, Tyson foods, post office redevelopment, $500 million investment in the sear tower, 2 new office towers along the river, another wacker drive tower going up soon. Offices are trying to be as close to Ogilvie and Union station area as possible. That area has the best pull from everyone in the burbs plus the city. There should be a direct train from the northside to that spot.
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