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Old Posted Jun 14, 2018, 2:24 PM
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Teutoburg Forest battle was one of the greatest upsets in military history. Augustus lost 3 of his Legions and the loss drove him into a deep depression. The historian Suetonius said Augustus would shout out "Varus, give me back my legions!". Varus was the losing Roman commander. It ended the Roman attempt to move much beyond the Rhine. Interestingly, even in Augustus times, the Imperial guard was made up largely of Germans. For those who remember the "I Claudius" BBC series from the 1970s on public broadcasting, there was an entire episode largely devoted to this disaster and the effect it had on Augustus. "I Claudius" can still be seen on youtube. Still entertaining.
Here's a picture of Hermann the German, exhorting the good burghers of New Ulm to battle:



Lots of interesting urban legends about how that thing survived two World Wars. New Ulm was, when we lived in Minnesota, a very German place.

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Wow, what a list of amusement parks you folks have come up with! Brings back a lot of memories!


I never went to, nor heard of, this Playland you mention, unihikid. But I did go to another place somewhat nearby that hasn't been mentioned yet - Beverly Park, aka Kiddieland:

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Located where the Beverly Center is now, Kiddieland was open between 1945 and 1974.

My family has photos of my big brother and I riding the cars at Kiddieland. Anybody else remember this place?

As to the places mentioned so far in this thread:


Places I've been to:

Beverly Park/Kiddieland - See above.
Disneyland - I went here many times. My favorite attraction was/is the Haunted Mansion. I liked architecture even as a kid!
Marineland of the Pacific - I remember going here more than once.
Japanese Deer Park - We have photos of my brother and I here feeding the deer.
Magic Mountain - I went here a number of times.
Trains at Griffith Park - I rode these trains a number of times.
Lion Country Safari - I remember this place vividly. I think I went twice.


Places I've heard of, but have never been to:

Knott's Berry Farm
Busch Gardens
Pacific Ocean Park
Alligator Farm



Places I've never heard of:

Jungleland
Calico Ghost Town
Monkey Island
Ostrich Farm
Gay's Lion Farm
Playland near Pan Pacific Park


Not to forget Grider's Birdland!


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What? Having read about the cop Frank Abbott, you’re curious about the other Abbotts? Yes, I don’t blame you—they’re one of my top favorite L.A. families! Here, straight from my notes (believe it or not, I've edited some boring stuff out here, but have thoughtfully left other boring stuff in), is a nice typical odinthorian wall o' text to help Noirishers while away any spare hours. I also include a couple of mining Abbotts who I think are not part of the same family, but who add to the good--and very noirish--times; plus, as a special bonus today only, one member of the Death Valley Party. ("father William Abbott" in the following is shorthand for "parents: William Abbott and Maria Merced Garcia".):
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Abbott, Aaron ca. 1867, born; father, William Abbott; by 1891, perhaps married to one Lottie Miller, prostitute; 1891, in trouble with the law (perjury); 1895, in San Francisco, passing counterfeit bills; 1896, back in L.A. being a “morphine fiend”; 1897, disturbing the peace in Westlake Park; cf. Caron Abbott.

Abbott, Amos ca. 1868, born in California; father, William Abbott; 1870, present in L.A.; 1888, getting in trouble with the law, like his brother William; ca. 1896, sent to state asylum as a dope fiend, eventually discharged as cured; 1902, Amos has lost his reason through use of dope, says his mother, and the court consequently sends him back to the asylum.

Abbott, Angelina granddaughter of Maria Merced Garcia; attempted suicide in 1895.

Abbott, Caron ca. 1864, born in California; 1870, present in L.A.; cf. Aaron Abbott.

Abbott, Charles G. a person of this name was a-burglarizing in the Newhall area in 1885 [Los Angeles Times August 22, 1885]; whether related or not to the rest of our interesting Abbotts, I do not know; cf. George Abbott.

Abbott, Frank. The cop. See earlier posting.

Abbott, George ca. 1872, born in L.A.; father, William Abbott; in trouble with the law (assisting a prisoner to escape) in 1889 and (burglary) in 1892; ca. 1892-1896, imprisoned at San Quentin; April, 1896, robbing a saloon; 1897, living with “an Indian woman” on Mission Road, and in a row with brother Frank; November 15, 1898, died in L.A.; cf. Charles G. Abbott.

Abbott, Georgie a woman, “pale, disheveled, frowsy” [Los Angeles Times, 6/25/1896], involved in a murder investigation near Naud’s Junction.

Abbott, James ca. 1835, born in Indiana; 1860, present in Azusa as an “M. Miner” with savings of $1,000.

Abbott, John May 28, 1864, published (Los Angeles Star): “The various speculations that have been floating about, the last two weeks with regard to rich mineral deposits on Lytle Creek, turn out to be a reality. Gold has been found in paying quantities, one claim owned by Abbott has produced as high as $6.25 per pan”; September 24, 1864, published (Los Angeles Star): “John Abbott, indicted for the murder of Robert Kier [sic] at Lytle Creek, was convicted of manslaughter, and sentenced to four years in the State Prison.”

Abbott, John A. or Juan Nepomuceno; alias Johnny; May 16, 1859, born in California; father, William Abbott; 1860, present in L.A.; 1870, present in L.A.; 1887, evidently the “opium-fiend” Abbott involved in the voting scandal (Los Angeles Times 4/20/1887); 1889, arraigned for rape; “notorious” by 1891.

Abbott, Kate Carmen usually known as Carmen; presumably the 1880 Census’s Katrina Abbott; ca. 1875, born; father, William Abbott; “Deaths […] Kate Carmen Abbott, sister of Mercedes Madden and Frank Abbott. Rosary tonight, 8 p.m., at Alvarez & Moore. Mass Thursday, 10 a.n., at Plaza Church. Interment, Calvary” (Los Angeles Times 3/10/1937); see also Salinas Abbott.

Abbott, Merced ca. February, 1870, born in California; father, William Abbott; 1870, present in L.A.; prob. the “Mercedes” Madden mentioned under Kate Carmen Abbott above; see also Maria Merced Garcia.

Abbott, S.S. member of the Death Valley Party.

Abbott, Salinas; ca. 1868, born; father, William Abbott; 1880, present in L.A.; ca. 1886, married H.K. Johnson; 1908, brother Frank Abbott perhaps killed her son W.E. Johnson in self-defense (see below); this is doubtless the “Selina” Abbott, “the wealthy Spanish woman known as the Queen of the Plaza,” who evidently eloped to Cuba with one Eduardo Hernandez, as reported in the Los Angeles Times of February 11, 1913, in which her sister Carmen, then living at 418 N. Main St., is mentioned and pictured; “Selina had been thrice married, but always she was known around the Plaza by her maiden name. She was 45 years old and of the striking Spanish type of beauty. Her clothing was always expensive and stylish, her manner gay and free. H.K. Johnson, a wealthy American contractor of Seattle, was Selina’s first husband. They were married about twenty-five years ago and lived in a $50,000 mansion in Seattle. Her only child, a son, was by this marriage. He met with a mysterious death about five years ago. The body was found on the sidewalk near the Abbott rooming-house at No. 418 North Main street, the skull crushed. An uncle of the young man was arrested and charged with the crime, but was acquitted. At almost the same time Selina witnessed the slaying of two men and the wounding of another in the office of the hotel owned by her and her sister. It is said that the tragedy was caused by jealousy over her. All four of the principals were her suitors. The man who did the shooting and who is now in the penitentiary had been employed as clerk in the hotel. Selina’s second husband was Edward Ives, an attorney. They were married about eight years ago. He died two years later. She was separated from her last husband, a Spaniard, and the brother of one of the two men who were slain in her presence” (Los Angeles Times 2/10/1913); do see also William Abbott of 1860, below.

Abbott, William ca. 1833, born in Indiana or New York; 1853, arrived in L.A. from New Albany, Indiana; “October, 1855, he started the furniture business in a little frame house about ten feet back from the street, which has grown into the stately building next to the Pico House, and the upper story of which is the handsome Merced Theatre” (Centennial History, p. 115); August 8, 1857, published (Los Angeles Star): “Mr. Abbott, we have long known as a member of the [theatrical] profession”; July 31, 1858, published (Los Angeles Star): “Married.—in the Catholic Church, on the 17th inst., Mr. William Abbott to Miss [Maria] Merced Garcia”; 1860, present in L.A. as a cabinet maker with savings of $2,000 and real estate valued at $1,000; November 24, 1860, published (Los Angeles Star): as “Abbott & Co.,” on Delinquent Tax list, location/property described as “San Gabriel Cañon; improvements on mining claims, &c.”; 1860s, firm prospered; late 1860s, he built a larger building, in the upper story of which was the Merced Theater (dedicated in 1870), named after his wife, whose money paid for the building (she required that it be taller than the Pico House); 1870, present in L.A. as a furniture dealer with savings of $1,000 and real estate valued at $9,000; 1872, furniture dealer 18 Main St.; ca. 1875, still alive (daughter born); 1882, “dead several years,” and under “Real Estate Transfers,” we see: “Merced Abbott, alias Merced Garcia de Abbott, John Abbott, Salinas Abbott, Wm Abbott, Aaron Abbott, Amos Abbott, Estate of William Abbott, Merced Abbott, daughter of above Merced, Frank Abbott, George Abbott, Catarina Abbott, and City of Los Angeles, by Sheriff, to J E Hollenbeck, Merced Theater property, $2,550. Same to same, lot w side Main street, and 2 lots e side Main street, $7,535.12” (Los Angeles Times 1/27/1882), but February 28 of the same year, Hollenbeck deeded back to Merced Abbott the two lots “between Main and Sanchez streets”; children: John A., Selina, William M., Aaron, Amos, Merced, George, Frank, Catalina, Kate Carmen.

Abbott, William ca. 1860, born in California; female; father, William Abbott; 1870, present in L.A.; the no-doubt-weary 1870 census taker has written “William” on two successive lines, once for the present female, once for the younger male listed below; probably this is Salinas Abbott.

Abbott, William M. ca. 1862, born in California; father, William Abbott; 1870, present in L.A.; 1882, in jail on arson charges; “The notorious William Abbott, ‘mac’ and opium-eater, was on trial yesterday on a charge of vagrancy, associating with known thieves, and living in and around houses of prostitution. Abbott is a native of Los Angeles, and is about 24 years old. His father was an American, and died several years ago, leaving his family considerable property, consisting of valuable city lots and a business block next to the Pico House, in which is the hall occupied by the Salvation Army…” Los Angeles Times 9/7/1888; 1889, attempting jury-fixing.

And we can’t forget:

Garcia, Maria Merced usually called Merced; ca. 1837, born in San Diego, perhaps baptized at Mission San Luis Rey (the baptismal records for which are lost); parents: Jose Antonio Esteban Garcia and Maria Guadalupe Uribes; 1844, present in L.A.; July 17, 1858, married cabinet-maker William Abbott; 1860, present in L.A.; 1870, present in L.A.; eponym of the Merced Theater which she and her husband built; her 23-year-old niece Maria Guadalupe Leucadia Garcia was living (and dying) with her in 1882; 1888, in court, with son Amos, for tearing down Salvation Army signs (dismissed on payment of $6 costs); 1891, in court on assault charges, along with son George; there was, in 1892, a “Merced Abbott Block” on N. Main St., perhaps the former Merced Theater; 1898, disturbing the peace; 1902, still alive and declaring to the court that son Amos has lost his reason through use of dope; home in latter days at 550 Mission Road, “one of those stately old Spanish-style houses, surrounded by a great garden and many trees” [L.A. Times, 8/6/1904] ; November 21, 1908, died in L.A.; 1911, estate of $76,303.32 being probated and distributed by executor Frank Abbott; probably the Maria Garcia of the 1850 Census’s household 34 who lived next door to a cabinet-maker (Henry Gurjans) who took in apprentices (such as Merced’s husband-to-be William Abbott?).

And finally, given the spirited nature of Merced Garcia and her children, we can’t fail to note that her mother was a Uribes. “So what?” Come come, now: Merced’s uncle was the interesting Ricardo Uribes, “the most perfect specimen of a desperado I ever beheld. Ricardo could stand more shooting and stabbing than the average bull or grizzly bear” (quoth Horace Bell).
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Wow, what a list of amusement parks you folks have come up with! Brings back a lot of memories!

I never went to, nor heard of, this Playland you mention, unihikid.
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Scott Charles, this Beverly Park area had several various monikers, and sometimes sections of it were labeled differently. If you search photographs of the place you'll see all sorts of names. There's a book out about the place by Jay Jennings. Maybe that has all the official names; some of them people write online may be from their memories of what they knew it as, but all of these are from one NLA post I looked up:

This area was known as Beverly Park, Beverly Grove Park, Playland, Bradley's Beverly Park for Children, Kiddieland, Lucas Kiddie Land and the adjacent Beverly Ponyland or just Ponyland.

The Book Patch

"This book documents the history of Beverly Park, featuring 175 never-before-published photographs."



David Shoop, ride operator, 1972.

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I saw this blog page HERE that has some screen shots of a 1965 movie titled Sylvia (not to be confused with movies with the same title made in 1977, 1985, 2003 and 2013)
that was filmed at Beverly Park. Photos from that link. It starred:



Name drop: I met George Maharis a few times where I was employed.


Entering Kiddieland.




Reverse:




Inside the park:



There are also some locations at a bookstore in Brentwood and arriving at LAX.
The first part of the film apparently takes place in Pittsburgh.

The film seems to be available on Amazon streaming, but not on DVD or Blu-ray.
(The blog link says it was streaming on NetFlix, but it is not as of this post.)
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The film seems to be available on Amazon streaming, but not on DVD or Blu-ray. (The blog link says it was streaming on NetFlix, but it is not as of this post.)
Interesting! I looked around and discovered that SYLVIA will be airing on TCM on Saturday, August 25th.
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Ve vill make them pay for this!
lol. clever FW.
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Scott Charles, this Beverly Park area had several various monikers, and sometimes sections of it were labeled differently. If you search photographs of the place you'll see all sorts of names. There's a book out about the place by Jay Jennings. Maybe that has all the official names; some of them people write online may be from their memories of what they knew it as, but all of these are from one NLA post I looked up:

This area was known as Beverly Park, Beverly Grove Park, Playland, Bradley's Beverly Park for Children, Kiddieland, Lucas Kiddie Land and the adjacent Beverly Ponyland or just Ponyland.

The Book Patch

"This book documents the history of Beverly Park, featuring 175 never-before-published photographs."

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I remember that circular water ride. To me it was fascinating....the little boats, the dirty water and all.

By looking at these old photos of Kiddieland, I can see why Walt Disney was so offended by the sleazy place. Out of his revulsion of this park came his dream for squeaky clean Disneyland.

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Speaking of obsolete kiddy parks...

We can't forget Hoppyland.


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" In 1950 William Boyd was sold a share in this Venice amusement park for $55,000. A few new rides were added.
There was a large stables with corrals and horse riding tracks for both advanced riders and children.
On May 26, 1951 Hoppyland opened with much fanfare. On opening day he invited many movie stars
and their kids, like Richard Widmark, Susan Hayward and Pat O’Brian.

A short film exists of opening day with Hoppy and other famous people."


Must. Find. Film.

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Speaking of obsolete kiddy parks...

We can't forget Hoppyland.

Must. Find. Film.


I found a site with a few stills from the film, plus other rare photos, a list of rides at Hoppyland, advertisements, and tickets. I'll share just a couple of photos.



The sign on the front of the tram reads "Anaheim, Azusa, Cucamonga." This is a reference to a long-running gag on Jack Benny's radio show.

Here's a link: Hoppyland. Well worth reading. I can't help but think Hoppyland also influenced Mr. Disney's thinking on what a family amusement park should be.
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At one point in time this was the mascot at the Japenese Village and Deer Park. :SHAKES HEAD IN DISMAY:

OCTOBER 1972

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Can't speak to the mascot issue, but the park itself was immortalized by Hudson & Landry in their Ajax Liquor Store routine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoPXzsOcaxs
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Scott Charles, this Beverly Park area had several various monikers, and sometimes sections of it were labeled differently. If you search photographs of the place you'll see all sorts of names... all of these are from one NLA post I looked up:

This area was known as Beverly Park, Beverly Grove Park, Playland, Bradley's Beverly Park for Children, Kiddieland, Lucas Kiddie Land and the adjacent Beverly Ponyland or just Ponyland.
Very interesting, Martin! I had no idea the park had so many names!

Having said that, though... the location of Beverly Park/Kiddieland/Playland is not the same location as described by unihikid - who not only says that the park was indoors (Kiddieland was outdoors), but he also places it here:

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Playland ... was on Third right between Farmers Market and Pan Pacific Park and next to Gilmore Bank... Its now the Grove.
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unihkid, you must be mistaken on your location for Playland (which seems highly unlikely due to your multiple memories of it), or you are thinking of yet another amusement park... interesting.
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Walt Disney would bring his daughters to Beverly Park, and it was during these trips that Disney began to conceive the idea of Disneyland.
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Unihikid says that the park [Playland} was indoors [...], but he also places it here:

"Playland ... was on Third right between Farmers Market and Pan Pacific Park and next to Gilmore Bank... Its now the Grove."


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I overlooked the "indoor" part!

So...let's see...I found out that Gilmore Bank opened in December of 1955 and was located at 6291 W. 3rd Street. It was there until 2000.
(The original building was, the bank relocated twice after that and then was taken over by another bank.)


This is the only photo I could find anywhere of the bank:

Flickr


In 1948, Gilmore Drive-In opened at 6201 W. 3rd St. It lasted until Halloween night, 1977. Here's an aerial previously posted on NLA:




The following photo from CBS is looking south toward that area. It's dated 1960.



The oblong building to the right of the Drive-In I'd guess is the bank.


A 1967 Ed Ruscha aerial of Gilmore Drive-In and part of the bank.

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I don't really see a location for an indoor Playland location in these photos, that Unihikid recalls.

So, I wonder if there was some indoor amusement area in the Gilmore Drive-In building that fronted 3rd St.? I know many Drive-Ins where I grew up had a play area for the kids.
The ones I knew were outdoors, though.


Also, perhaps, in this undated photo below, that might be a postcard; it has an area behind the Drive-In (on the left in the photo) that isn't in the CBS photo. Perhaps that is something to do with Unihikid's recollection.

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I love this photo of Gilmore Drive-In with Gilmore Field lit up in the distance. First posted by Tourmaline a couple years ago:

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Since we're in the vicinity, this would a good time to post the invitation of the Windsor Square–Hancock Park Historical Society's meeting at the Gilmore Adobe. The house is rarely open to the public, but the meeting is, so you can see the old building...and hear Adrian Scoitt Fine of the LA Conservancy speak about the effort to save its architectural counterpoint nearby, CBS Television City...which we've seen on NLA recently....





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I happened upon this wire-photo earlier today on Ebay.

In 1964 the United States and Russia held a dual track meet in Los Angeles. (I didn't know this)


EBAY

This may seem minor, but I haven't noticed the two flame 'urns' (for lack of a better word) that appear on both sides of the central arch.
If you look closely, they appear to be set within a concave like niche. (see below)


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Have these flame-urns (more like plates) on inverse(?) tripods been there since the 1932 Olympics and I've just haven't noticed?
And what about the concave niches?
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Back to the U.S.A. vs U.S.S.R. Dual Track Meet.

Here's the information on the back of the photograph.


EBAY



and a look at the cover of the program.


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You can browse through the entire program HERE (it's interesting)

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Here's another Ebay find from earlier today.

Perhaps we've seen this steroview of the Universal backlot on nla but it's so amazing I'll post it anyway. [you're welcome ]


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Wowza!





I particularly like the Byzantine structure rising behind the more basic Norman castle.


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It's also interesting to see the parked cars..and the man walking alone.





And the lighthouse; gotta love the lighthouse.


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but did you notice that little country church nestled at the bottom of the hill? (there's a touch of the Orient in the mix too)


If I remember correctly, an early water tower on the lot was later converted into a castle, but it doesn't appear to be included in this view.
I'm pretty sure it was closer to the entrance gate. (which is out of view)

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