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Old Posted Jun 8, 2018, 12:53 AM
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Another interesting addition to the team at Flair.

“Flair Airlines is delighted to announce that David M. Tait OBE has joined Canada’s only operating low-fare airline in the capacity of executive chairman.

A Canadian, Tait brings a wealth of unique airline experience, having worked with Wardair Canada in Toronto, Laker Airways in Toronto and Miami, Virgin Atlantic Airways in New York and Air Canada in Montreal.”

https://www.skiesmag.com/press-relea...lare-to-flair/
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2018, 12:49 PM
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Alberta transatlantic remains somewhat depressed despite YYC's bullshit claims, but given that we're not exactly sure how much of the BA pullout is actually attributable to a frame shortage, I'm not sure how much worse off YEG is for prospective BA service than they were yesterday.
Looks like the Asian routes are depressed as well.AC not providing winter service out of YYC to Japan this winter. That route appears to be seasonal as well.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2018, 8:45 PM
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Looks like the Asian routes are depressed as well.AC not providing winter service out of YYC to Japan this winter. That route appears to be seasonal as well.
Part of that is because AC only has 10x weekly slots at NRT during the winter.

1x daily to YVR and 3x weekly to YUL. The latter used to belong to YYC.

When AC flew YYZ-NRT non stop, it was a summer seasonal flight. Those slots went to YUL also.

So not necessarily that Alberta-Asia is depressed, but more like AC running flights to NRT from where it would rather operate, which lately has been YVR/YYZ/YUL.

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Old Posted Jun 12, 2018, 11:16 PM
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Edmonton International Airport

Passenger Statistics for May 2018 --

Highlights:

§ Terminal Traffic: 659,006 passengers (3,129,524 Year-to-date)

Domestic 556,731 passengers (2,425,670 Year-to-date)
Transborder 74,315 passengers (438,818 Year-to-date)
International 27,960 passengers (265,036 Year-to-date)

§ FBO Traffic*: 35,576 passengers (161,956 Year-to-date)

§ Grand Total: Overall 694,582 passengers (3,291,480 Year-to-date)


Growth%:

§ Terminal: 7.0% (6.0% Year-to-date)

Domestic 6.4% (6.1% Year-to-date)
Transborder 15% (7.0% Year-to-date)
International -0.6% (4.4% Year-to-date)

§ FBO Traffic: -8.8% (-5.3% Year-to-date)

§ Grand Total: Overall 6.1% (5.4% Year-to-date)
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2018, 2:44 PM
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Interesting way to analyze the sentiment of a subset of airport visitors, commentary is about EIA. Seems EIA scores "Average" among Google writers.

https://www.lenilsamuel.com/upupanda...tional-airport
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2018, 7:00 PM
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Interesting way to analyze the sentiment of a subset of airport visitors, commentary is about EIA. Seems EIA scores "Average" among Google writers.

https://www.lenilsamuel.com/upupanda...tional-airport

Very interesting and thank you for sharing. I guess BIG does not necessarily make you better. However in the case of YVR the exceptional effort yielded great results as anyone flying through there would attest to.
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Old Posted Jun 15, 2018, 1:58 AM
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Part of that is because AC only has 10x weekly slots at NRT during the winter.
YYC-NRT performs very well in the summer and crashes in the winter. In fact, I'm surprised they even operated it this past winter. Loads are looking strong through to the end of September.

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instead of navel gazing maybe someone on this thread has some facts about European travel done by edmontonians over the winter months.
...the facts are it's weak, and highly seasonal as it is from elsewhere in western Canada. I think that's been established?
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Old Posted Jun 15, 2018, 3:29 PM
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A reminder that Flair's summer schedule starts today. Should be a good June for EIA.

https://flairair.ca/travel-info/flair-air-route-map/
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2018, 2:33 PM
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I wasn't aware that Edmonton would be considered a base for Swoop. In their application to fly south, Hamilton is the main base; Edmonton the sub-base.
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MAIN BASE / BASE PRINCIPALE
CYHM - HAMILTON (CANADA) 2018-06-12 ALL / TOUS
SUB-BASE / BASE SECONDAIRE
CYEG - EDMONTON INTL (CANADA) 2018-06-12 ALL / TOUS
SCHEDULED POINTS / POINTS RÉGULIERS
DOMESTIC POINT / POINT INTERIEUR
CYXX - ABBOTSFORD (CANADA) 2018-06-12 ALL / TOUS
CYHZ - HALIFAX INTL (CANADA) 2018-06-12 ALL / TOUS
CYWG - WINNIPEG INTL (CANADA) 2018-06-12 ALL / TOUS
Destinations to start: Las Vegas and Phoenix (Mesa?), plus MCO/TPA/FLL out east.

Glass half-empty: If you want full-service, connect via YYC. Low-cost, fly non-stop
Glass half-full: More competition for Flair.
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2018, 3:45 PM
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I wasn't aware that Edmonton would be considered a base for Swoop. In their application to fly south, Hamilton is the main base; Edmonton the sub-base.


Destinations to start: Las Vegas and Phoenix (Mesa?), plus MCO/TPA/FLL out east.

Glass half-empty: If you want full-service, connect via YYC. Low-cost, fly non-stop
Glass half-full: More competition for Flair.
Sub-base only until (1) WestJet through Swoop drive Flair out of business (2) have enough planes to other places from YYC (where they are doing the maintenance anyway), (3) stymie Enerjet enough so they are out of business before they start and (4) stymie Jetlines before they add a 3rd plane to the 2 they just leased on 12 June. AC will assist ever so stealthily. Once thats done WS can return to normal programming, and phase out Swoop.
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2018, 10:58 PM
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Sub-base only until (1) WestJet through Swoop drive Flair out of business (2) have enough planes to other places from YYC (where they are doing the maintenance anyway), (3) stymie Enerjet enough so they are out of business before they start and (4) stymie Jetlines before they add a 3rd plane to the 2 they just leased on 12 June. AC will assist ever so stealthily. Once thats done WS can return to normal programming, and phase out Swoop.
I think WS has learned from the AC experience. Once Flair and Enerjet are forced to retreat back to being smaller charter only airlines, the need for Swoop is diminished, however it is still helpful to have it around (perhaps with only a couple of aircraft). At that point its purpose will be scare away evil spirits that many manifest themselves as business proposal for new upstart airlines.

If they keep Swoop out of the main hubs it will not cannibalies its man full service airline business unit.
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Sub-base only until (1) WestJet through Swoop drive Flair out of business (2) have enough planes to other places from YYC (where they are doing the maintenance anyway), (3) stymie Enerjet enough so they are out of business before they start and (4) stymie Jetlines before they add a 3rd plane to the 2 they just leased on 12 June. AC will assist ever so stealthily. Once thats done WS can return to normal programming, and phase out Swoop.
There is a long term place for Swoop in the WestJet Group. The big question is whether WS will take the opportunity.

Swoop could very well become the WS of the past. Point to Point, single cabin, a-la-cart price structure with simple back office system and no need to connect a larger network or alliance. I'm unsure if they need to go the full ULCC route and make flying with only the basics a miserable experience (eg force the buy-up).

AC has Rouge but they are higher value airline than WS. I see rouge as AC mainline without the higher value products like lie flat seats, concierge services, lounges on the outstations. As well, Rouge has much smaller premium cabins compared to mainline.However, in a lot of cases im hard pressed to find differences comparing AC mainline 787 economy to rouge 763 economy.
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2018, 6:57 AM
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There is a long term place for Swoop in the WestJet Group. The big question is whether WS will take the opportunity.

Swoop could very well become the WS of the past. Point to Point, single cabin, a-la-cart price structure with simple back office system and no need to connect a larger network or alliance. I'm unsure if they need to go the full ULCC route and make flying with only the basics a miserable experience (eg force the buy-up).

AC has Rouge but they are higher value airline than WS. I see rouge as AC mainline without the higher value products like lie flat seats, concierge services, lounges on the outstations. As well, Rouge has much smaller premium cabins compared to mainline.However, in a lot of cases im hard pressed to find differences comparing AC mainline 787 economy to rouge 763 economy.
Since Rouge does not fly Edmonton - not relevant.
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2018, 9:37 PM
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Since Rouge does not fly Edmonton - not relevant.
...uh did you miss this presser or...?
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2018, 11:19 PM
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...uh did you miss this presser or...?
A flight to Las Vegas is not earth shattering and the route is already well served. I wish they had offered nonstop flights to PVR, CUN and PHX in Mexico as those routes could use the increased frequency.

Edit: interesting to see since booking is on AC website that the LAS nonstop to YEG on Rouge is more money than connecting through YYC on the return ... also Rouge.

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Old Posted Jun 19, 2018, 5:39 PM
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Flair HQ will be Edmonton

I might have missed the post elsewhere but in case anyone else missed it:

"Meanwhile, Tait said Flair plans to move its headquarters to Edmonton from Kelowna, B.C., over the coming months to help promote its growth.

"Kelowna was a fine base for a charter operator but it didn't really give us the scope, the potential we need as we're growing.""

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/west...unch-1.4711998

"Flair will continue to expand its network to/from Edmonton by growing its frequency and network - both domestic and trans-border; announcing new low-fare routes in the coming weeks."

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...685943001.html

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Old Posted Jun 19, 2018, 6:26 PM
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Tait also said that new routes would be going on sale in the coming weeks (around mid-late July); USA Expansion is likely going to happen, without giving much context, Tait hinted at palm trees and mickey mouse during the press. Great time for Edmonton.
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Pretty exciting.....Flair will need a lot of love and support from the local market to sustain their operations.

The typical US markets that are served from Edmonton are very competitive (LAS, PHX, LAX). Both AC and WS (as well as Swoop and Rouge) can flood the market with seats. Geography does not help that much either. It will be very difficult to make money.
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2018, 8:44 PM
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Good to hear/see and yes, support will be important.
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I can fly my family of 4 round trip to Hamilton from $850?! Vacay time!
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