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It’s become such a fixture that I’m almost going to miss it when it finally bites the dust.
Don't give the "save the WTC" crowd any ideas. They might want to keep this up as some sort of connection to that tragic day and the memorial.

Meanwhile, it looks like that PAC move to the T5 site is gone, if for no other reason than they've run out of time to study an alternative...

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Without Final Location, Work on WTC Arts Center to Begin

By Matt Dunning
UPDATED Oct. 26

When crews begin installing underground supports for a performing arts center at the World Trade Center site next year, it is very possible that they will do so without anyone knowing for sure whether the building will actually be built there.

The Port Authority’s construction of the subterranean steel and concrete support structure that will hold up the Memorial Park, a transportation hub and a host of pedestrian and vehicular tunnels is progressing steadily through the western half of the 16-acre site. Coming soon, construction of the steel columns and sheer walls meant to support a performing arts center next to 1,776 foot high Tower One, at the corner of Greenwich and Vesey Streets.

But whether the center gets built there, in a spot dubbed Site 1B, is another matter.


During the summer, the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation said it would study the feasibility of putting the arts center at 130 Liberty Street, where the remains of the former Deutsche Bank building now stand. The move could deliver the arts center years ahead of its projected opening—in 2017—were it to stay in its originally planned location.

Despite the uncertainty, city officials said they plan to let the Port Authority move ahead as though a final decision on the arts center’s location has already been made.

“If we don’t take advantage of this opportunity now, we believe it will be lost,” Andrew Winters, director of the Mayor's Office of Capital Projects, said during a recent City Council hearing on the arts center. That opportunity, he said, involves shutting down several PATH train tracks at the site, something the Port Authority does not want to repeat.

“Nobody’s going to want to come back and shut the system down again,” Winters said.

During the Oct. 21 hearing, LMDC president David Emil said he hoped to know by the end of the year if it would be possible to relocate the performing arts center to the site of the former Deutsche Bank tower. A big hurdle, he said, could be convincing the Port Authority to forfeit development rights on the site, once planned for the new headquarters of JP Morgan. That would undo a crucial piece of the complex deal it made with the LMDC for the arts center’s current location, and could jeopardize the LMDC’s control of Site 1B. Emil said risking the loss of an already-committed site for the arts center was unacceptable.

“The crucial thing for us through this whole thing is to make sure we end up with a real site,” Emil said. “We want to make sure we never lose control of Site 1B.”

It is thought that the arts center could be built at the 130 Liberty St. site by 2013. At Site 1B, the city would have to wait at least five years to even start construction. The temporary PATH station, which is on part of the site, can’t be removed until the new Santiago Calatrava-designed transportation hub is finished in 2014.

“There’s nothing simple about anything to do with this project,” Dept. of Cultural Affairs Commissioner Kate Levin said when asked which scenario would best serve the interest of the center’s construction. “We are 100 percent sure we have a viable project on Site 1B. We believe that there would be a number of very complicated financial transactions in doing anything else.”

If and when it is ever built, the Frank Gehry-designed arts center would house a 1,000-seat theater, a smaller auditorium or recital hall, and extensive rehearsal and set storage space and offices, Levin said. It is also planned to be the new home for the Joyce Theater. Amid the confusion over the building’s location, the underground construction work will mark a rare and significant step forward for the center, a project often relegated to the “back burner” in discussions of the World Trade Center redevelopment.

“Today seems to be major step forward in actually, possibly realizing the construction of a performing arts center,” Community Board 1 vice-chairwoman Catherine McVay Hughes said during the hearing. “We’ve been ready to get started on this for eight years.”
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Ground Zero Arts Center: Time Is Not on Its Side


Deutsche Bank's site, at 130 Liberty Street, has been proposed as an alternative for the arts center.



A computer rendering of a preliminary design by Gehry Partners for a performing arts center at ground zero



By ROBIN POGREBIN
October 30, 2009

If preparations are not made — and funds are not provided — to lay the foundation for the performing arts center at ground zero within the next four months, the project will not happen.

That at least was the message that Kate D. Levin, the cultural affairs commissioner, delivered in urgent tones at a City Council hearing last week. “There is such a narrow window of opportunity to ensure that the site remains viable,” Ms. Levin told the Committee on Lower Manhattan Redevelopment on Oct. 21. “If we don’t take advantage of this opportunity, we believe it will be lost.”

After years of taking a back seat to other long-delayed development projects at ground zero, the performing arts center has suddenly come to the fore, as both a focus of discussion and a bone of contention. The underground work now being done by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the World Trade Center site, is expected to reach the location planned for the arts center in about four months.

When it does, if money is not in place to build structural underpinnings suitable for the large-scale project, construction is expected to bypass the site.


The issue is contributing to long-simmering tensions over ground zero between the city and the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, widely considered a state agency because it is a subsidiary of the Empire State Development Corporation, though its board is composed of both city and state appointees. In the first years after 9/11, Gov. George E. Pataki became the most visible public figure involved in the development of the World Trade Center site, and Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg deferred to him. Recently, though, the city has taken a more assertive role, suggesting that divisions between the city and the corporation — along with other stakeholders, like the Port Authority and the developer Larry A. Silverstein — are likely to escalate.

In this case the city, represented by Ms. Levin, is arguing forcefully for the importance of respecting the original master plan for ground zero, which calls for a performing arts center — the architect Frank Gehry was selected in 2004 to design it — in the area bounded by Fulton, Greenwich, Vesey and Washington Streets. Locating the arts center on the ground zero site “is key to the urbanism of that whole district,” Ms. Levin said at the hearing, and essential to “sewing together the revitalization of this entire area.”

The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, meanwhile, has been actively pursuing an alternate place for the arts center, south of ground zero: the Deutsche Bank building site at 130 Liberty Street, which the corporation owns and where it believes the arts center can be built much faster and more cheaply.


The work that Ms. Levin is so concerned about — the construction of footings and foundations for the arts center on the Trade Center site — is expected to cost about $40 million, according to the Port Authority, and the authority and the city are depending on about half of that to come from some $50 million over which the corporation has control. That money has yet to be released.

The corporation is now completing a feasibility study that it says will point up many advantages of the Liberty Street site. For one thing, it would provide an existing foundation — that of the Deutsche Bank building — and would mean that the center would not have to be built over a complex grid of train tracks and an emergency car exit ramp.

More important, perhaps, because the temporary World Trade Center PATH station now sits on the planned site for the performing arts center at ground zero, construction at that location could not start until the architect Santiago Calatrava’s permanent station to the south is completed. That will happen sometime in or after 2013, the Port Authority estimates, though others predict that the permanent station won’t be finished until 2016 or later.

Work at 130 Liberty, on the other hand, could begin as soon as 2011, according to the corporation, which recently announced that the much-delayed demolition of the Deutsche Bank building would begin next month and be completed by the end of 2010.

Various downtown officials — like John E. Zuccotti, a board member of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation and the chairman of Brookfield Properties Corporation, which owns buildings around the Trade Center site — support the idea of moving the arts center.

“I favor the other site,” he said in an interview, speaking of 130 Liberty. “It will ensure that the performing arts center is built and built quickly.”

According to early results of the feasibility study, cost estimates for the project came in at about $300 million for 130 Liberty Street and nearly twice that for the Trade Center site, largely because of the expected escalation in construction costs in coming years.

But city officials say the development corporation has underestimated the complexity and cost of building at the Deutsche Bank site and the time it would take to start construction. “There is a lot of uncertainty about the schedule and cost for the 130 Liberty site, and a number of factors may very well make the site problematic,” Ms. Levin said on Friday. “Major access and design issues haven’t been resolved — the kinds of questions that can’t be answered without significant design time and additional costs.”

Meanwhile, drawings for a foundation at the Trade Center site are 90 percent complete, said Andrew Winters, the director of the Mayor’s Office of Capital Project Development, speaking at the hearing. “The next step is construction.”


Complicating matters, a 2006 “memo of understanding” now in effect led to a swap in which the Port Authority agreed to give the development corporation the performing arts center site at ground zero in exchange for the Deutsche Bank site, which it planned to develop as commercial space. Before the arts center could be switched to 130 Liberty, the Port Authority would have to agree to such a swap, which Ms. Levin testified would require that the authority give up 1.3 million square feet of development rights that could not be replicated at the ground zero location.

Christopher O. Ward, the authority’s executive director, said last week that his agency was moving forward under original plans for the arts center and that “any discussion of alternatives is preliminary.”

In a question-and-answer session with reporters after the Port Authority’s board meeting on Oct. 22, Mr. Ward said: “This is the city’s project, and they’re obviously clearly resolving that issue of should it be moved and where should it be moved to. Our efforts will marry up with their long-term plans.”

At the City Council hearing, the development corporation testified that it was “committed to supporting” the foundation work for the arts center at the Trade Center site. “We will provide the funds necessary to make sure” the site continues to be available to the performing arts center, David Emil, the corporation’s president, said.

What those “necessary” funds are, however, may be a matter of dispute; the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation is expected to challenge the Port Authority’s estimate that $40 million will be needed for underground structural work for the arts center.

At the hearing Mr. Emil also emphasized the limits of the ground zero location. “Construction can’t begin until the Calatrava PATH hub is complete and the temporary station is no longer required,” he said. “The critical thing for us is to make sure that we end up with a real site.”

Hovering over all of this debate are further huge questions, including who will raise money for the arts center’s construction and operation and who will ultimately oversee it.

City Councilman Alan J. Gerson summed up the confusion at the hearing of the Lower Manhattan committee, of which he is chairman. “Who’s in charge?” he asked: “Is it the L.M.D.C., is it the City of New York, is it the Port Authority? What agency or level of government has the responsibility for advancing the performing arts center, for making it happen?”
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Also at Monday night’s C.B. 1 meeting, board members got an update on the long-delayed W.T.C. performing arts center.

The city, which is now leading the planning effort, has said the PAC could not begin construction until at least 2014 and would not open until at least 2017. On Monday, Andrew Winters, director of the Mayor’s Office of Capital Projects, said even those far-off dates could be too optimistic.

“There is not a more complicated building type in the world than a performing arts facility,” Winters said. “They’re more expensive than you want them to be, they take a longer time than you want them to and the design goals are very high. When they finally happen, everyone celebrates and no one remembers it was a very long process to get there.”

Winters also gave new details on the PAC design, which will have a 1,000-seat dance theater; a cafe spilling out onto 1 W.T.C.’s plaza; a secondary theater or banquet hall; and an outdoor amphitheater on the roof overlooking the memorial. Preliminary designs by architect Frank Gehry include trees planted on surfaces all the way up the building, continuing the visual theme of the memorial.

While the city is focusing on building the PAC at Greenwich and Vesey Sts., the Lower Manhattan Development Corp., which committed $60 million to the project, is studying moving the PAC farther south to the 130 Liberty site, where its construction could begin earlier. Sayar Lonial, director of planning for the L.M.D.C., said he would have an answer on whether such a move is feasible by the C.B. 1 committee’s next meeting Dec. 14.
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It’s going to be interesting when all said and done what kind of impact this whole site is going to have on the traditional vibe of Downtown. To me it almost seems like that strictly business persona which Lower Manhattan has always carried is dying down; and a project like this almost seems enough to do it in.

May sound like a weird interpretation, and I know Downtown has played second fiddle to Midtown in terms of business for a little while now, but I just feel that the tide is changing on a quicker basis given that something like this would even be considered in such a prime location.
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Oh. my. gosh. I love that, but... not at the World Trade Center.
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It's a little different (and a bit busy for my taste), but that's the whole point of the new WTC. It's not supposed to be a strictly, sterile business environment. This new complex is supposed to tie into the making of a 24 hour district (of which Fulton Street will be the focal point).
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Then a tide is certainly changing in Lower Manhattan; and it maybe for the best.
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Wait a minute, how is the performance and arts center relevant to 5 WTC? cause if it's now considered 5 WTC, could this be the possibility to free up space or to rename the transit hub 6 WTC?
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Please read the above articles.

5 WTC is the former Deutsche Bank site.

It was originally planned to be the new JPMorgan HQ. It is now planned to be sold by the Port Authority for a condo-hotel tower.

The LMDC (a state agency) has suggested using the site for the WTC performing arts center, but this is opposed by Mayor Bloomberg and the Port Authority, so it isn't going to happen.

What will almost certainly happen is the performing arts center will be built where it has always been planned, next to 1 WTC.
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I have read then, well what confused me really was the location, so thanks for clearing that up. It's nice to see the old location to be used, but clearly its not the simple box that was gonna be their. As for the hotel concept, any chain hotels who've / or any rumors? Possibly a return of a Marriott? Hate to be asking all these questions but it might also help others..
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As for the hotel concept, any chain hotels who've / or any rumors? Possibly a return of a Marriott? Hate to be asking all these questions but it might also help others..
My opinion is that the hotel should be built above the PAC, between the Freedom Tower and Tower 2 (it was originally planned as part of Tower 2). As of now, they haven't decided on any hotel space.
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Port Authority Rejects 130 Liberty Street as Site for WTC Arts Center


A preliminary design of the performing arts center slated to be built at the World Trade Center site.


By Matt Dunning
UPDATED Jan. 14


Putting an end to months of speculation over the final location for a performing arts center at the new World Trade Center, Port Authority officials said this week that the 1,000-seat theater and rehearsal facility will be built in the space originally intended for it rather than on land now occupied by the former Deutsche Bank tower at 130 Liberty Street.

The Authority, along with the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, had been mulling the idea of putting the arts center at 130 Liberty Street, on the south side of the 16-acre site. There was hope that the move could have delivered the arts center years ahead of its projected opening—in 2017—were it to be built in its originally planned location.

The site of the theater is next to the 1,776 foot high One World Trade Center (formerly the Freedom Tower) at the corner of Greenwich and Vesey Streets.

“The ultimate determination was that the north side would be the most appropriate location for a performing arts complex,” Port Authority spokesman Glen Guzi told a Community Board 1 committee on Jan. 11.

The Authority’s construction of the subterranean support structure that will hold up the 9/11 Memorial Park, transportation hub and a host of pedestrian and vehicular tunnels is progressing steadily through the western half of the 16-acre World Trade Center site. Guzi said. The upcoming phases of that work, scheduled to begin in the next few weeks, include a series of steel columns and sheer walls meant to support a performing arts center.

“The good news is that we are moving in a direction that will create the below-grade structure that will house the performing arts center,” Guzi said.

While the Port Authority is undertaking the support structure for the center—to be designed by architect Frank Gehry—construction of the actual building will be the city’s responsibility.


With the issue of the center’s location finally resolved, the center now needs a final design, a governance board and, perhaps most importantly, funding for its construction. The LMDC has pledged $50 for design and construction, but the center will need much more than that if it is ever to become a reality.

“The Performing Arts Center will help strengthen Lower Manhattan’s cultural community, and enhance the experience of the WTC site for residents and visitors alike,” said city Cultural Affairs Commissioner Kate D. Levin. “It is essential that we continue to move forward to ensure that the site originally designated in the master plan remains viable.”

Even with the underground supports in place, the city will have to wait at least five years to start construction on the actual building. The temporary PATH station, which is on part of arts center’s site, can’t be removed until the new Santiago Calatrava-designed transportation hub is finished in 2014.

If and when it is ever built, the arts center would house a 1,000-seat theater, a smaller auditorium or recital hall, and extensive rehearsal and set storage space and offices, Levin said. It is also planned to be the new home for the Joyce Theater Company.
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Glad to hear that; the proposal never struck my fancy.
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I hope Gehry has more sense than to design something that looks like a discarded pile of aluminum trash in this location.
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I hope Gehry has more sense than to design something that looks like a discarded pile of aluminum trash in this location.
Ghery rarely does things right beyond his patented "freehand tool, move mouse like crazy; extrude curve along path" method.

I truly wonder what goes on in his head when he designs stuff life this.
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I truly wonder what goes on in his head when he designs stuff life this.
Never question the mind of the artist!

That being said, I do find it a little busy for the site. It's a little disorienting, visually. That's just something that won't work well where it is. It wouldn't even fit next to the Beekman tower. I think something more transparent would fit.
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Well there seems to be plenty of time for these decisions to be worked out. May sound ‘off’ but perhaps the delay of DB is the best thing going for the future of that site; if anything it’s buying time for a possible tenant to express interest in co-developing something. You never know, but with anything for this site, it’s all speculation at this point.
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Well there seems to be plenty of time for these decisions to be worked out. May sound ‘off’ but perhaps the delay of DB is the best thing going for the future of that site; if anything it’s buying time for a possible tenant to express interest in co-developing something. You never know, but with anything for this site, it’s all speculation at this point.
I've always said this site should be reserved for commercial as opposed to residential, which can go up pretty much anywhere else. Even if this site has to sit vacant for 10 years.
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I've always said this site should be reserved for commercial as opposed to residential, which can go up pretty much anywhere else. Even if this site has to sit vacant for 10 years.
Indeed. Eventually most of the older buildings will be converted into residential anyway.
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