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Old Posted Apr 23, 2018, 5:57 PM
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Except this scenario only exists in right-wing fantasyland.
Texas is one of the only states that keeps track of this data and here is the most recent data out there:

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Texas Criminal Alien Arrest Data

According to DHS status indicators, over 245,000 criminal aliens have been booked into local Texas jails between June 1, 2011 and February 28, 2018. During their criminal careers, these criminal aliens were charged with more than 650,000 criminal offenses. Those arrests include 1,323 homicide charges; 77,448 assault charges; 18,410 burglary charges; 78,198 drug charges; 797 kidnapping charges; 44,210 theft charges; 49,921 obstructing police charges; 4,248 robbery charges; 7,012 sexual assault charges; and 9,739 weapon charges. Of the total criminal aliens arrested in that timeframe, over 164,000 or 66% were identified by DHS status as being in the US illegally at the time of their last arrest.
https://www.dps.texas.gov/administra...Statistics.htm
*Note: These are Texas charges for these criminal alien arrestees as reported to DPS by local agencies – the arrestees charted here may have offenses in other states.

Sanctuary states and cities would not be in communication to federal authorities about the immigration status of these criminals. Why should states and cities not communicate this to Federal authorities? It makes no sense.

Sanctuary laws aren't about legal/illegal immigrants, but rather protecting criminals. It's the upside down world.

*A legal immigrant that has been arrested will likely face deportation at their interview with USCIS.
*An illegal immigrant will be released and not deported because they are illegal and don't have an interview and if they do, simply won't show up for it.
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2018, 1:57 AM
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The U.S. should admit all the poor of the world. Why not a U.S. population of 1 or 2 billion? Just kidding.

Since when was enforcing the immigration laws a matter of political controversy? Canada enforces immigration laws. I'm a liberal Democrat but support enforcement of immigration laws. Otherwise we're headed for a billion people. Simple math. I don't care whether the undocumented are from Europe or Asia or Latin America. They need to come legally. Otherwise we have no law and a billion people in the United States. Imagine the traffic and housing shortages and homelessness in the U.S. with a billion or more people!

The U.S. and other rich countries also need to provide more aid to poor countries so people don't need to migrate in the first place.

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Old Posted Apr 24, 2018, 2:13 AM
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^^Mexico enforces immigration laws more strictly than we do. But the champ in this contest is probably Australia. They still maintain a Devil's Island-like place for those who try to sneak in.
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2018, 2:27 AM
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The same Australia that refused to let in brown Muslim refugees from Burma but tripped all over themselves to take in white farmers from South Africa?
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^^Mexico enforces immigration laws more strictly than we do.
Mexico doesn't enforce any laws strictly.
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2018, 3:06 AM
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Mexico doesn't enforce any laws strictly.
It's a relative thing. Lately, we hardly enforce immigration laws at all. If the democrats had their way--and to a large extent they do--the ONLY people deported would be those who commit major felonies (and only those if they don't have a wife or children in the US). Mexico does better than that. They understand that they have enough problems dealing with their own poor and unskilled people (the ones they can't assist to head to El Norte).
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2018, 4:01 AM
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Bitter old white man thinks brown immigrants are beneath him. News at 11.
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No, you've got things a bit backwards -- Mexico is doing America's work by policing its southern border on our behalf. Just a decade ago its borders with Guatemala and Honduras were almost unguarded and seasonal migrants from those countries comprised a significant portion of the agricultural labor force in southern Mexican states. This didn't cause much friction, as they're Mayans on both sides of the border. After the current wave of Central American refugees heading north, Mexico received a lot of money and pressure from Washington to wall off and militarize those borders, and so it has. In 2015 it deported more people than the United States.
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2018, 1:40 AM
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You are totally misinterpreting here to fit the point that you want to get across. Except what you're describing is NOT what local law enforcement in cities that are resisting doing the job of the federal government are doing.

I'm not (nor are these local law enforcement agencies) suggesting that local police not hold criminals who rightfully should be detained and reported. That is happening and that should happen. No one supports just letting criminals go, as you suggest. That's totally exaggerated and false right-wing BS.

The issue is that local law enforcement cannot take on the role as federal enforcers of federal law. That is a job for the proper federal authorities to do. It simply is not local law enforcement jurisdiction to enforce federal law upon its citizens or non-citizens; it is potentially a violation of the Fourth Amendment in this case.

If you're in favor of changing the US Constitution, then have at it. But until then, you may want to educate yourself on local law enforcement jurisdiction, probable cause, judicial vs. administrative warrants, and criminal vs. civil arrest warrants.
Far right BS? So if someone commits a crimes, does their time, a city like Chicago would hold unto them until the Feds come take him away or they will release him?

I don't think you understand the constitution or how our federal republic works. Holding a person who has committed a crime for the Feds to pick up isn't doing the Feds job, its just common sense, and if the Left didn't have a political game to play in this they would agree.
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