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Old Posted Aug 8, 2017, 6:24 PM
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^ Wow... had no idea they upgraded the seats like that. Looks really comfortable.

Still not enough to get me to pay decent coin to watch a movie at a theatre, especially since the best theatre experience to me is at home... but I can see that drawing regular theatre-goers.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2017, 6:34 PM
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I think I must have gone halfway through their upgrade then - because the tvs were all new but the seating was still the old style..

maybe I should check it out again..

still.. my point still stands.. when it comes to entertainment, our city is a PALE imitation of its former self. It's fine to put condos and stuff in the city, but at some point, once the density is filled with a good amount of HIGH spenders, I would like to see the city focus on commercial, and then entertainment areas.

Also that brings up a good point.. what WOULD we like to see as entertainment in the downtown core?

Not that itd ever happen, but I'd love to have an amusement park return - we used to actually have one.. I forgot about that actually..

and maybe a playdium type thing, and horse races would be cool to return to the city.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2017, 6:38 PM
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So I have an issue with the fact that hamilton seems hellbent on destroying every single entertainment area of hamilton - what exactly is there to do in the downtown other than eat and drink at this point? (And please don't say play ping pong lol..) What function is making more parks going to do tucked away when gore park is right around the corner?

It just doesn't seem like good foresight by the city.. I want to be able to go downtown and DO stuff - see shows, see bands, engage in mindless entertainment, be entertained.. not just eat and go to bars..

Let's go over what the city has demolished:

movie theatres
opera houses
horse race track
roller rink
ice rink
strip joints
vegas strip
bowling alleys
pool halls

and what have they replaced it with in the downtown core? NOTHING. Employment centers, cash marts, low income housing, the city has intentionally turned intself into a poverty city where nobody has any reason to come to it (except to live in because everywhere else is too expensive). Hamilton used to be called the entertainment city - with 50 theatres, and tons of entertainment. Now everything is in the outlying regions that hamilton absorbed - malls in the suburbs, casinos in neighbouring cities, race tracks in neighbouring cities, zoos in outlying regions, aquariums.. well the only one is in toronto.. no tourist landmark like the cn tower (our highest building is a friggen condo!), just a city without a vision of what it actually wants to be.

Yes breweries are popping up, but not everyone drinks beer - I know I don't. Hamilton claims it's an art place, but I've seen half the stuff in the art crawl, and it's not exactly high quality, more arts and craftsy, and this city is now oversaturated with artists without the high paying art buyer base like places like toronto and new york and chicago has.. It does have theatre aquarius I will grant it that...

boutiques are popping up but they are overpriced - too much money for too little food.

there are clubs but not everyone just wants to go clubbing.

golfing? Sure yes we have golf courses.. at least hamilton is still good for that..

There is ONE movie theatre left in jackson but it's the old seating and for a tall guy like me it's just uncomfortable to sit in those seats..

So what is there to do in the city to entertain the average person? That they can engage in to just unwind? Heck we don't even have a playdium in the downtown core - you have to go up on the escarpment to be entertained - you have an eatons center that is sitting empty , now beside a college campus that has moved into jackson that would make an awesome entertainment center, and it still remains empty. I know there were rumours to fill it with entertainment like that but it never materialized..

This city needs a gold saucer lol..
How do you manage to type to much yet say so little?

You rarely bring any valuable discussion points to this forum. If you're looking for a place to be negative, nostalgic and anti modern anything, head to Vintage Hamilton. There were two existing threads before this one that covered general discussion. I really don't understand what the purpose of this one is.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2017, 6:49 PM
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City of Hamilton General Discussion Thread

So after some discussion with one of the mods, SteelTown, it was agreed to make a general discussion thead.

This would be a place to talk about recommendations for the downtown core, like if you see vacant lots, are unhappy about looks of specific parts of the city, have ideas for areas of the city etc. I mean who knows maybe developers will even read some of the ideas and get some of their own!

Or heck if you just want to rant and it's just not appropriate to do so in any specific project thread

Or I dunno.. just talk about yourself hehe.. introduce yourself, talk about projects you're working on that might tie into the city etc.

Some advice from SteelTown though:

"Try not to go over topic, especially if it should be posted on the specific project. We like to keep it in a chronological order, kinda neat to see how a project started and ended. "

For all topics not appropriate for here feel free to also visit and post in the General Discussion sub-forum:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/forumdisplay.php?f=291
oh I dunno - maybe what I actually posted here? ^

you don't see me knocking you, not everyone contributes the same way you do. I post threads about the history of the city - and new developments if I find them - it is good to know about the citys past - like my post about the old theatres and their names and locations, what used to be where etc., or my thread with the videos that showcase downtowns history.

And I am not anti-modern anything, in fact there are quite a few threads and projects I have actually PRAISED for their modern look. I am not anti-modern, I am anti-effort. I want to see this city thrive.

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Old Posted Aug 8, 2017, 7:01 PM
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The Jackson Square theatre is actually really nice now, miles ahead of what it was like when Famous Players or Empire owned it. They renovated the entire place and did a very professional job of it. It doesn't have all the ridiculous concession choices and frills that you get from Cineplex but if you're just going to see a movie with some popcorn and snacks in a comfortable, spacious seat it's probably now the best theatre in the city. Would be nice if they can somehow expand in the future to allow for an IMAX screen though. Saw Dunkirk in IMAX at Silvercity Ancaster a few weeks ago and it was amazing.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2017, 7:05 PM
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The Jackson Square theatre is actually really nice now, miles ahead of what it was like when Famous Players or Empire owned it. They renovated the entire place and did a very professional job of it. It doesn't have all the ridiculous concession choices and frills that you get from Cineplex but if you're just going to see a movie with some popcorn and snacks in a comfortable, spacious seat it's probably now the best theatre in the city. Would be nice if they can somehow expand in the future to allow for an IMAX screen though. Saw Dunkirk in IMAX at Silvercity Ancaster a few weeks ago and it was amazing.
yeah I saw the black tower at the avx (I think thats what its called) screen at the paramount theatre up on the mountain yesterday - the one where the screen is huge and curved - really nice.

I will definitely have to check out the jackson theatre now that I know the seats have been replaced - that was really my only beef with it - and it is much more convenient to get to

Do they have 3d at jackson? (or I think they also have 4d at theatres now too) - not that it's essential just curious if they do.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2017, 9:40 PM
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The fact that Hamilton has a theatre downtown is much better than Ottawa...
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2017, 9:52 PM
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You do realize that Flamboro Downs is a racetrack and within the city limits. They have racing there on a regular basis. It's not just a casino.

As for the rest of the things you listed as the city getting rid of. It wasn't the city in most cases just simple economics. Businesses aren't going to stay open if they can't make money.

The one part I will agree on is the club scene, it sucks. That's why most young people I know leave the city for entertainment. There are a number of smaller places, but nothing large enough to host larger events. I don't do clubs anymore but I always liked going to places where you had 500 - 1000 people having a good time.
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I think if we had big brands filling downtown stores (not in the malls), it would help foot traffic downtown.

It'd be nice to see Nike and stores like that fill gore Park
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2017, 3:17 AM
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I think if we had big brands filling downtown stores (not in the malls), it would help foot traffic downtown.

It'd be nice to see Nike and stores like that fill gore Park
I'd agree with you on that.
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2017, 3:21 AM
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You do realize that Flamboro Downs is a racetrack and within the city limits. They have racing there on a regular basis. It's not just a casino.
I did state in that same sentence "Now everything is in the outlying regions that hamilton absorbed" - the point was that people have to travel all over the place instead of being centralized in the core in an easy to access area. I don't drive, so for me accessing a lot of these things is difficult, and I am sure a lot of the people in the core (esp. if the city had their way and everyone took public transportation) would have similar issues - so having such things available in the core would be mucho helpful
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I did state in that same sentence "Now everything is in the outlying regions that hamilton absorbed" - the point was that people have to travel all over the place instead of being centralized in the core in an easy to access area. I don't drive, so for me accessing a lot of these things is difficult, and I am sure a lot of the people in the core (esp. if the city had their way and everyone took public transportation) would have similar issues - so having such things available in the core would be mucho helpful
how many cities in the world have horse racing tracks downtown? doesn't seem like great land use planning
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2017, 3:27 PM
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how many cities in the world have horse racing tracks downtown? doesn't seem like great land use planning
eh I dunno.. and while I realize the center mall area, where the race track used to be, isn't really considered "downtown" it was still close enough, compared to say, flamborough to be able to easily get access to.
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Hamilton’s high vacancy rate a strong factor in 2017’s construction boom

by DENA FEHIR Aug 18, 2017
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Construction in Hamilton, Ont. is up 35 per cent this year from 2016, with city officials saying a high industrial and commercial vacancy rate is one of the primary reasons.
Hamilton’s high vacancy rate a strong factor in 2017’s construction boom
"The increase in commercial and industrial for the year to date is related to several factors. We have numerous successful companies that are renovating or expanding, and, due to our basically one per cent vacancy rate in industrial/commercial, new buildings are starting to go up to meet the demand from companies moving here from elsewhere," said Glen Norton, City of Hamilton director of economic development.

"Our industrial vacancy rate is so low (essentially zero per cent) that any new companies locating here are having to build something for themselves. We are an attractive alternative to the Greater Toronto Area based on our development charges and industrial land prices."

Overall, builds reflecting $724 million in construction value have been documented over the first six months of this year, compared to $535 million over the same period last year.

However, the actual number of building permits is down slightly, to 4,326 this year compared to 4,788 last year, but the overall value of actual 2017 projects is bigger than that in 2016.

"Namely, there is the $88-million expansion project of the Hamilton water and wastewater treatment plant accounting for a large portion of construction value," said Ed VanderWindt, City of Hamilton chief building official.

This is the first phase of the water and wastewater treatment plant expansion that will take place over five years and eventually total more than $300 million.

A June 2017 report from the Planning and Economic Department states that in that month, $104.26 million in building permits were issued, which accounts for 906 permits and 193 zoning/verification/property reports.

For that month, the residential component was the strongest, accounting for 69.99 per cent of the month's total and valued at $72.98 million. Of the 661 permits in the residential category, 115 permits were issued for new single family dwellings at a total value of $30.64 million. Commercial activity accounts for 12.66 per cent, or $13.20 million, with 56 permits issued. Industrial activity accounts for 8.47 per cent or $8.83 million and government and institutional activity accounts for 7.70 per cent or $8.03 million.

Major school projects included in the City of Hamilton June 2017 submission to Statistics Canada, which includes non-residential projects of $250,000 or greater, are alterations to two secondary schools, Westmount and Hill Park.

Outlining the work being done at Hill Park, Todd White, Hamilton Wentworth District School Board chair and Ward 5 Trustee, said the overall budget is $5.2 million, with phase one of two already underway.

The project will relocate various board programs and create a learning centre. Some of the programs are expected to be operational for the start of the new school year in September.

Westmount is a four-phase project with the revitalization of a learning commons and six science labs as well as upgrading washrooms and fire alarms.

"This project is part of our board-wide five-year Secondary School Facility Benchmark Strategy. This strategy allocates funding of $11 million annually for the following identified priorities at each secondary school: science labs, learning commons, playing fields and gym floors," said White.
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^ Wow... had no idea they upgraded the seats like that. Looks really comfortable.

Still not enough to get me to pay decent coin to watch a movie at a theatre, especially since the best theatre experience to me is at home... but I can see that drawing regular theatre-goers.
Why do people think movie tix are expensive? What is it? $12/13 a ticket. For a couple hours entertainment? Steal.
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Why do people think movie tix are expensive? What is it? $12/13 a ticket. For a couple hours entertainment? Steal.
I know one lurking forumer who is old enough to remember when he and his brother used to pay 25 cents each to see the Saturday afternoon "double feature".

Actually, I don't mind the ticket prices, it's the insane prices charged for drinks/snacks (and the jumbo sizing!) that blow me away nowadays.
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Back in the days I used to go to Limeridge Mall movie theatre on Tuesdays, Toonie Tuesdays, and sneak in pop and goodies from Bulk Barn, which was directly above the theatre lol. Probably all for five bucks.
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Why do people think movie tix are expensive? What is it? $12/13 a ticket. For a couple hours entertainment? Steal.
If you're willing to wait to watch the movie, it's much cheaper to watch at home. And it's not just about the price, but what you get (or don't get) at that price. I prefer the convenience, comfort, re-watchability, ability to pause/rewind, lack of crowds, lack of distractions, better/cheaper foods, etc. that the home theatre experience offers.
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chanced upon this gorgeously illuminated and preserved image of james st looking to the escarpment from 1862 - enjoy!



pretty much everything on this street except for the church has long been demolished.
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Old Posted Oct 11, 2017, 1:23 PM
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quick question: does anyone have a tally of all of the buildings that currently remain vacant or mostly vacant downtown? Might be useful to know where all our prime real estate is..
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